AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi

It cannot be proven or disproven, so in that regard we are all agnostics-I don't know and you really don't know either. I just wanted to all this topic because of the "Can evolution be proven" post

Loki Loc: Georgia

Matter of fact, parts of the Theory of Evolution really are theories. I do not mean the entire thing. Parts are proveable, and parts of it are nothing but guess work masquerading as fact. There are millions of pre-Cambrian fossils dating back as much as 500 million years. Then, during the Cambrian Period, there was an explosion of life, jumping from single cell, or simple multi-cell, to complex invertabrates. According to Evolution, they evolved from one form to another. There are millions of fossils to establish the existence of these creatures, but there are basically no t***sitional fossils to show how they evolved from one to the other. We are supposed to take the one on fact, and the other on faith. Millions of pre-Cambrian, millions of Cambrian, zero t***sitional. What's wrong with this picture?
There have been some nearly complete skeletons of dinosaurs recovered. Not much doubt about what those guys looked like. Now go to a museum, and many of the dinosaurs contained therein are nothing more than an artist's conception, fabricated from a couple of bones. There is no doubt that some of these creatures existed, yet the existence and the appearance of others, purported to be fact, is nothing but a flight of fancy.
Reptiles, such as dinosaurs, we are told, evolved from amphibians. There are major internal differences between the two, even though they are somewhat similar at first glance. The skeleton is different. Reptiles don't have gills. Reptiles have a four chambered heart, like humans. Amphibians do not. There are hundreds of thousands of amphibian fossils, and reptile fossils, but no proven t***sitional fossils other than a handful that are basically wishful thinking. With the huge fossil record, doesn't it strike you as odd that there are millions of the one, and none of the other, yet we are to give equal credence to both? Perhaps both science and religion need some rethinking, as both are guilty of taking proven fact, mixing it with supposition and pet theories, and presenting the whole thing as a fait accompli.

mohadib

"Perhaps both science and religion need some rethinking, as both are guilty of taking proven fact, mixing it with supposition and pet theories, and presenting the whole thing as a fait accompli".




Can you give some examples of religion using "proven facts"?

Loki Loc: Georgia

The descriptions of the reigns of kings David and Solomon have been largely and independently verified. The circumstances of the Babylonian captivity are historical fact. Daniel in the Lion's Den probably isn't. The world was not created in six days.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

This is an issue that is mostly based on faith.
I can not prove to you that there is or is not a God.
I will not be swayed one way or the other by your views.

That said if there is a God for real or if he was made up by man we have a God.

It is what we need to have as a core for our existence.

Sadly people use God to rally some people against others.

mohadib

Well you answered my question. To me the old testament was by and for the Jews.Even when I was a believer I didn't put much faith in the old testament. God was pretty smite happy back then. The 2 books, as I see them are a contradiction of the concept of god. One book,god's all about kicking butt and taking names. The other he's this all loving forgiving god.Kind of perplexing don't you think?

Stoneyman1 Loc: Kissimmee, FL

If you read the Bible very closely then you will find there is a difference between our time and God time. God time is equal to approximately 1 day = 1000 days

mohadib

Floyd I disagree about needing god as a core. I believe people develop a set of values and that's what is their core.For example, take a man born on an island with no exposure to god or religion, don't you think that the man wouldn't have a core set of values even though he wasn't reborn or wh**ever.The idea that unless your saved you would be damned to hell regardless of the life you led is just ridiculous.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I guess what is needed is what we will call this core.
I used God as the core to relate it to how God is used now.

Most groups off people through out time have had a god.
Now lets say they must have made them up. So I say that would seem to show that man kind needed a God.

That said I don't have any solid proof that there is a god or not. But there seems to be a need for man kind to have a god. Or at least it was in the past.

jetson

Yes, For one thing God pegged the atheist correctly in Psalm 53:1 and Prov. 20:3. He called them fools and always meddling. The Bible prophecies, more than proves it, unless you just want to close your eyes and mind. Here are a few modern day ones that have come to pass. Israel, returns home.(1948). Surrounded by hostile countries, Return to full Hebrew language. (In Germany they spoke yeddish, mixed with German and Hebrew). Israel, would, when they returned be invincible, when they come back home(had several wars since). Nations will try to divide Israel (happening every day). Jews come back from north, south, east and west, (happening right now). Would prosper again. Eastern gate closed, until Christ comes back through it. Jews will remain blind until Christ comes back etc. What other religion has any predictions, that are happening in front of the whole world.

mohadib

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Man kind of needed a god to put some hope in their miserable existence.Some men needed god to further their own ambitions,Medicine man,preacher,Shaman snake oil salesman etc. The concept of a powerful being who spoke only to them kept them in power just like today's ministers,preachers, snake oil salesmen and so on.

rumitoid

The non-existence of God cannot, of course, be proven. To take human statements about God, such as the Gensis account in the Bible, and say evolution is somehow proof against God's existence is foolishness. To me, faith in God demands curiosity about the world, His creation. That the design and intricacy of life on earth seems to be born of a magnificent intelligence that will produce awe in anyone open enough to truly wonder is enough for me. I am not going to fight anyone over it. The marvel of the human brain to observe and create the inventions we have reflects the existence of a Greater Intelligence. Maybe Life does it all naturally and our need for meaning makes us see patterns and other possibilities where there are none. Who cares.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I won't disagree with this. That is part of what I said in different words.

What I feel is needed is what sort or code or core of reason do we use in the here & now to tie things together?

mohadib

Your post backs up what I have said before that the bible(old testament) is all about the Jews, your prophecies concern the Jews ,the book is by and for Jews. Why can't people realize this fact.

mohadib

Even though I don't believe any more, the teachings in the new testament have great value, Caring ,sharing, forgiveness etc. Unfortunately in todays world the powerful have maneuvered us into a position that hardly expresses the teachings of Jesus or our core beliefs. As long as we fight against each other we will never be able to tie things together.