slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

These are the kind of responses needed more often on these forums: Concise, free of partisan/mindset opinions, and just straight-forward analysis and lack of criticism/name-calling, and insults. :thumbup:

VladimirPee

Not sure many people are willing to cut their own income levels to benefit others. I once was involved in union negotiations where the current rank and file v**ed for an increase of $5.00 by proposing new hires be paid $5.00 less. It passed and we averted a strike but existing workers were paid $22 an hour with new hires getting $12.00. Our proposal was $18 for everyone.

Artemis

you've missed the point completely

Artemis

His philosophy is true, when you pay someone a decent salary, that is shown back through loyalty and the desire to do a good job for his employer.When employees feel unappreciated resentment builds and the variety of outcomes do not benefit either party.

Artemis

they just don't ever get it, a mental block

VladimirPee

Greed is a human trait. In many cases we have seen the more you give them the more they want. Let me use the examples of the New York City Sanitation workers in the 60s and 70s who went on strike despite already making more than NYC Police Officers. It is a 2 way street.

Artemis

You guys should reread his post again and again than ask for assistance on comprehension, it is not about the menu, the owner worked out his total costs of his expenses and figured what he had to do to payout a decent salary,while still making the profit he wanted.uuuhhhh.His explanation is not in strict detail, it was supposed to be enough to get the jist of how it works.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Here is the logic. You are paying for a person to be on welfare. Ergo, you are paying them to be nonproductive.
If a company is opened who can provide jobs to those people then it makes sense to support the company. Follow me so far? Okay, now the money you were giving people to not work, that is to sit and worry about everything and plan on which bank to rob or person, you are now putting that money into the company. The people that was unemployed now has a job. They feel better about themselves because they are not welfare cases. Still with me? You are not paying more or less, you are paying the same money regardless. However, now the people that are employed can afford to buy other things, this helps the community as a whole. The community starts to prosper, the nation starts to prosper. After a time, the subsidize money can be sent to a new start up company and you have a reinvigorated town. Still there? Okay, now the community and town is better, parents can send their kids to college and the future is improved for that family and others because when people make money, they spend money, so others can make money. Got it? This is why it is important to ensure living wages for people. In the end, you the middle class who has done well is not having more or even less taxes taken from your pay. That remains constant.

Stop thinking so small.

Artemis

Let me give you an example Herman Cain the Head of the National Restaurant Association, fights to keep the wage for restaurant wait staff to be paid still about $2.35. That amount has been the same for over 25 years, I know because that's what I did as a college student at that time and the amount is the same. Back then I could support myself living alone, go to college,have a car payment on a nice car not a junker and still have money to save, go out, pay for food and bills. That was acceptable,the things is the kids today are trying to do the same thing with with the same amount of money from 25 years ago, this is why it doesn't work and why people are looking for assistance.

VladimirPee

The menu is relevant because the ability to pay higher wages stems from his ability to charge premium prices. Not all businesses have that option.

VladimirPee

actually the wage for wait staff used to be $1.25. But lets not argue that point. Most wait staff income comes from Tips and is calculated as a percent of the check. Average check has increased in the last 25 yrs. May have even doubled. So their income has increased. NOW restaurants are required to report tips as income. Before most went untaxed. Federal Tax has done more harm to those that depend on tips than anything Herman Cain has done.

Artemis

I don't know of a restaurant that excepts food stamps.

BoJester

Good post GinnyT, and I sincerely hope that you educated some of the small brains that h**e the concept that higher wages help everyone.

Artemis

Never mind those others Bo, this was an excellent post thank you

Artemis

Here come the insults we can typically expect when you right wingers are losing the argument, which it should not even be, but you combative repubs are compelled to do.