97 Percent Of Republicans Use Government Social Programs: Survey (Page 2): You're absolutely correct. I paid for mine. You paid for yours. Problem is

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

You're absolutely correct. I paid for mine. You paid for yours. Problem is - we have paid for half the country's IN ADDITION TO OURS!. That's what burns me!

These multitude of actual welfare programs, the socialist ones, don't belong at the federal level, but they will never let them go because that is the base of Democrat/C*******t Party support. Without those v**es, we MAY have a decent government. These programs would be just as good, and many times cheaper if run at the state level where they belong.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Tasine wrote:

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Tasine, first, it is difficult to tell who you're responding to without some hint. If you use the "quote reply" button then the message you're responding to will be in the box, like above.

Second, you've finally said something that I disagree with. IMO welfare programs are charity, and charity is not a valid purview of government at any level. Charity is something individuals in a free society should be able to choose to participate in or not, of their own free will. Government sponsored charity is forcing charitable contributions at the point of a gun, with no say as to where they're directed.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I hadn't known that. Verrry interesting, as Sgt. Schultz would say.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Voice of Reason wrote:

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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Thanks for the heads up. New here and have things to learn. Re your comment. Actually we don't disagree at all. I agree with you 1000%. I merely meant to say that of all people, the feds have no business mucking around with welfare.

Actually, while I am registered Libertarian after half a century as a Republican, in actual fact with no window dressing, I am an anarchist. I happen to believe that societies can co-exist with neighbors without big brother telling everyone what size toilet tank they must have, what guns one may own, whether or not you must wear a helmet. Considering our nation is in free fall, we may have anarchy whether or not anyone wants it. Everyone thinks anarchy is mass chaos - that is only if people cannot converse and reason with those around us. I cannot believe how many conservatives cannot bring themselves to even talk about anarchy realistically.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Tasine wrote:

These multitude of actual welfare programs, the socialist ones, don't belong at the federal level...These programs would be just as good, and many times cheaper if run at the state level where they belong.

You're absolutely right. The programs are a direct violation of the 10th Amendment. For that reason alone the belong at the State level...or in the direct hands of the people.

What I would like to see (presuming no end to entitlements) is that if a person becomes a ward of the state (which in essence is what they've done), that they be declared incompetent for the duration of their warding, and thus ineligible to v**e. It is immoral for people who profit from the government through such programs to have a voice in the government influencing the provisions of such programs. In other words, people shouldn't be allowed to v**e where they may materially profit from government.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Tasine wrote:

in actual fact with no window dressing, I am an anarchist.

In that regard, you and I have a lot in common. However, our forefathers tried that first, and it didn't work. That is why they created the foundation for our present government. To bad the structure on top of that foundation is a bad mix of amusement park meets insane asylum.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Tasine wrote:

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About the only thing I know (or think I know) about anarchy is that it is a complete lack of government. In any business dealings between two people or groups of people, at some point, there are bound to be disputes that arise where the parties cannot reach an equitable or a peaceful resolution. Under our current system that's when the dispute is settled by an arbiter or the courts. How would that work under anarchy?

I'm also under the impression that anarchy means no laws. Is that correct? How would what are now crimes like robbery, rape, murder be handled? What about burglary, theft?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

memBrain wrote:

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I agree. Our forefathers KNEW this and it would have been nice if the Constitution had addressed this issue.

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

"...if the citizens neglect their Duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizen will be violated or disregarded."
Noah Webster

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Tasine wrote:

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Our forefathers knew this but didn't want to create a document that was incapable of addressing changes their descendants may encounter. It was deliberately done.

Quote:

asker wrote:

Well, Doctor, what have we gota Republic or a Monarchy?

Benjamin Franklin wrote:

A Republic, if you can keep it.

oilfieldDave Loc: From AK live in WA

Got to go with the fact that gummitt programs are footed by republicans at a much higher rate than democrats, seems like they should use them more than democrats. Demos need to pay a bunch more taxes, so when their lazy pals who abuse the services, their party pays the appropriate amount. After all, they got the v**es based on the promises of a free ride on the taxpayers' teat.

mark

Of course remember the gay thing it's always something with the Gop they always get some bug up there rears and than we all have to here it than it always ends in hypocrisy. Thats why I call them the foot in mouth bug up ass party.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

mark wrote:

Of course remember the gay thing it's always something with the Gop they always get some bug up there rears and than we all have to here it than it always ends in hypocrisy. Thats why I call them the foot in mouth bug up ass party.

Try restating that in English. You make no sense. Perhaps you give a little information concerning your point, rather than a random conclusion you might make sense.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

memBrain wrote:

mark wrote:

Of course remember the gay thing it's always something with the Gop they always get some bug up there rears and than we all have to here it than it always ends in hypocrisy. Thats why I call them the foot in mouth bug up ass party.

Try restating that in English. You make no sense. Perhaps you give a little information concerning your point, rather than a random conclusion you might make sense.

I started a thread called, "Mark meet hogorina, hogorina meet Mark". I think they'd make a perfect pair. They might possibly even understand one another.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

lol!