97 Percent Of Republicans Use Government Social Programs: Survey
Mar 6, 2013 01:40:14 #
Mar 6, 2013 07:30:57 #
Once again a non starter. The government is so large and bloated that you will be forced by circumstance to use a government program at some time in you life. But having used a government program and being "Dependent" on a Government program are two entirely different things. This seems to be a reoccurring theme with the left. They draw equivalencies between two situations that are totally separated by context.
Mar 6, 2013 07:34:32 #
"When asked about participating in specific government social programs, 97 percent of Republicans and 98 percent of Democrats say they have taken part in a government program of some kind, according to a 2008 survey run by the Cornell Survey Research Institute. Not just one or two either; the survey found that people had used around five social policies on average."
I am strongly opposed to socialist type government programs. I write about them often. However, given that I and probably more republicans than democrats PAY for those programs, it is disingenious for anyone to suggest those paying for said programs should be denigrated for using what they have paid for, particularly if they were opposed to having to pay for them at the point of a gun (government force). :roll:
I am strongly opposed to socialist type government programs. I write about them often. However, given that I and probably more republicans than democrats PAY for those programs, it is disingenious for anyone to suggest those paying for said programs should be denigrated for using what they have paid for, particularly if they were opposed to having to pay for them at the point of a gun (government force). :roll:
Mar 6, 2013 13:17:16 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Just seeing the source as the Huffingtonpost is all I need to know to avoid paying any attention
Mar 6, 2013 13:53:15 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
Tasine wrote:
"When asked about participating in specific g... (show quote)
Of course you're right, but the point HuffPo is attempting to make is that 97% of Republicans are hypocrites for accepting govt assistance while opposing social programs. This may be patently absurd, but the useful i***ts lap it up.
The way to answer it is not to point to the obvious flaws of logic, the useful i***ts can't understand logic and never will.
Instead, turn it around. According to the same study, 98% of Democrats have been or are on some sort of government assistance. That means 98% of Democrats are hypocrites for accepting govt money that could be better used to feed starving children. How greedy is that?
Mar 6, 2013 13:58:31 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
Voice - I agree - and wish that the logic you recommend would cure useful idiocy - and I promise to keep trying.
Mar 6, 2013 20:23:43 #
Huffington is a hypocrite. She shilled for the republicans for years before outing herself as a flaming progressive. One has to wonder about the mental agility of those who lap up her words of insincerety. I wouldn't trust that woman to fill a glass of water.
Mar 6, 2013 23:07:54 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
Tasine wrote:
Huffington is a hypocrite. She shilled for the republicans for years before outing herself as a flaming progressive. One has to wonder about the mental agility of those who lap up her words of insincerety. I wouldn't trust that woman to fill a glass of water.
All those in high positions within the progressive movement are hypocrites, none of them actually believe the crap they push. It's just a tool to get the backing of the useful i***ts to replace our government with a tyrannical dictatorship and steal the nation's wealth. Ironically, whenever and wherever this has happened throughout history, it's those same useful i***ts that become the first victims.
Mar 7, 2013 07:24:28 #
When one tries to tell them that their progressive leaders care not one whit for them, but only for self centered power for themselves, they stubbornly deny even such possibility. It's as though they've shut down the portion of their brains that is responsible for critical thinking - it's impossible to break through. The truly dangerous thing about the brainwashing they've had is that they so cheerfully give up freedoms in order that their leaders may accomplish the goal of denying all freedoms - it is as though these people believe that while MY freedom and YOUR freedom may be removed, THEIR freedom magically won't be touched. How crazy is that?
Mar 7, 2013 11:31:55 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
Tasine wrote:
When one tries to tell them that their progressive... (show quote)
I agree. I spent the last few years of my working career working with several younger people not far removed from college. While I was impressed with many of them in the areas of technical expertise and work ethic, I was amazed at their lack of critical thinking when it came to politics or persons of authority in the workplace. It never occurred to them to even think to question anything that came from network news anchors or, at work, management. When I was in school I was taught to question everything. Today they're being taught to accept authority without question. I find that dangerous.
Mar 7, 2013 11:40:48 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
I think the problem is a bit different - liberalism exists on two plains - one is the elistist who think their superior capabilities are needed to make decisions for the great unwashed who do not possess thier enlightenment. The other are the useful i***ts cultivated by the elitists
Liberalism as presented to the useful i***ts involves things that would be nice if true - like the government can take care of everyone and nobody needs to be deprived of anything. Now, that is surely a simplistic idea, childish and unreal. Young people are still childish to a large degree - that is why young tend to be liberals - they have no practical experience and have been taken care of by others. Ony when they gain real world experience do they learn, if they have real world experience. Most of those who go into private industry start to learn. Those who go into government service continue to live in a bubble and tend to remain useful i***ts because they never gained practical experience.
Liberalism as presented to the useful i***ts involves things that would be nice if true - like the government can take care of everyone and nobody needs to be deprived of anything. Now, that is surely a simplistic idea, childish and unreal. Young people are still childish to a large degree - that is why young tend to be liberals - they have no practical experience and have been taken care of by others. Ony when they gain real world experience do they learn, if they have real world experience. Most of those who go into private industry start to learn. Those who go into government service continue to live in a bubble and tend to remain useful i***ts because they never gained practical experience.
Mar 7, 2013 11:48:07 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
Dave wrote:
I think the problem is a bit different - liberalis... (show quote)
That's the point I was trying to make a few posts back, but you said it better.
Mar 7, 2013 12:24:14 #
Very well said! I believe that most kids of today are raised with more material things than the kids of yesterday, and therefore FEEL privileged, even though not wealthy. Many are accustomed to demanding and receiving (I have such a grandson). They don't understand that other people might not grasp their importance and set out to force that understanding on everyone who challenges them. When the adult isn't duly impressed, the kid throws a tantrum.
Mar 7, 2013 12:58:21 #
I'm sick & tired of hearing that being on Social Security and/or Medicare, or even unemployment, is being "on the public dole". One does not receive those benefits without having paid into them. Those people collecting those benefits are not on welfare. If you pay for it, it's not a handout.
Now SSI (Supplemental Security Income) & Medicaid are a totally different story. SSI, which is administered by the Social Security Administration (God only knows why), is nothing short of federal welfare, as is Medicaid. And 99 weeks of unemployment is ridiculously excessive.. The original limit of 26 weeks (before the libs got their grubby little hands on it) should suffice.
I suppose you could say Social Security, Medicare and unemployment recipients are "dependent" on the government, but only inasmuch as they "depend" on getting that for which they paid.
For this article to include something you pay for as "using a government social program" is insulting. Let's leave Social Security, Medicare & unemployment out of the equation and THEN see how those percentages look.
Now SSI (Supplemental Security Income) & Medicaid are a totally different story. SSI, which is administered by the Social Security Administration (God only knows why), is nothing short of federal welfare, as is Medicaid. And 99 weeks of unemployment is ridiculously excessive.. The original limit of 26 weeks (before the libs got their grubby little hands on it) should suffice.
I suppose you could say Social Security, Medicare and unemployment recipients are "dependent" on the government, but only inasmuch as they "depend" on getting that for which they paid.
For this article to include something you pay for as "using a government social program" is insulting. Let's leave Social Security, Medicare & unemployment out of the equation and THEN see how those percentages look.
Mar 7, 2013 13:06:00 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
ahm_good wrote:
I'm sick & tired of hearing that being on Soci... (show quote)
I agree completely. I've never considered those collecting SS or using Medicare to be "on the dole". The are also not means-tested welfare programs.
Here's a little-known fact that you'll never hear reported by the MSM. Each year since 2010 the government has spent more money on means-tested welfare expenditures than it spent on the Iraq war during GWB's entire two terms.
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