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Why is it so important for us to "Prove" God exists?
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Jul 31, 2015 10:10:00   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
susanblange wrote:
A horn is a phallic symbol, and a symbol of power. The "little horn" represents a woman. This horn is also said to be diverse from the other horns, or kings. I agree we are living in the last days and the Messiah should come by October, 2016. Jesus is dead and gone and he was not the Messiah or the son of God. He has been reincarnated, is the leader of the "sons of darkness" and this time he will burst into flames. Ezekiel 28:18-19. "...and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee".
A horn is a phallic symbol, and a symbol of power.... (show quote)


Daniel 7:8 talks about the little horn, satan, the accuser, king of tyre. The old serpent has many names. The quote at Eze is when satan get turned into ashes from within. No he is not coming back by your date, only Father God knows the date. From your innate positive knowledge you're stumbling from a weak faith and if you choose not to take advise and deny the Word, well I don't know if people like you will make it to heaven- sorry for you because God doesn't want anyone to perish.

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Jul 31, 2015 13:12:13   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
iFrank wrote:
Daniel 7:8 talks about the little horn, satan, the accuser, king of tyre. The old serpent has many names. The quote at Eze is when satan get turned into ashes from within. No he is not coming back by your date, only Father God knows the date. From your innate positive knowledge you're stumbling from a weak faith and if you choose not to take advise and deny the Word, well I don't know if people like you will make it to heaven- sorry for you because God doesn't want anyone to perish.


I had a vision of my own death, so I know where I'm going when I die. The little horn, your "Antichrist", is the real Messiah, and God incarnate. There are a lot of OT scriptures that indicate God is a woman. She has already ended the Cold War, the war in Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants, she has restored pride to the military and she got the Jews out of Russia.

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Jul 31, 2015 13:39:24   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
susanblange wrote:
I had a vision of my own death, so I know where I'm going when I die. The little horn, your "Antichrist", is the real Messiah, and God incarnate. There are a lot of OT scriptures that indicate God is a woman. She has already ended the Cold War, the war in Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants, she has restored pride to the military and she got the Jews out of Russia.


Woman clean your ears, maybe some chemo to clean your clock, because you are deceived beyond your awareness. Most scholar will disagree with you just like on this post. I won't hand you anymore pearls for you to trample on. I'm out.

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Aug 4, 2015 15:32:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Theo wrote:
I know people who quit trying to understand their bible, and stopped going to church because they just could never "PROVE" that God is real.

I found something better than "Proof."
I found "Rewarded Faith."

And the difference is so great, because "Proof" that doesn't "Prove" is of no value. But "Rewarded Faith" has its rewards. See how that works? Now Consider...

What would you consider "proof?"

There is no such thing, you know.

Or, maybe you don't know.

So let me be first to tell you. There is no such thing as "proof."

Proof is not a reality. It is an abstract; it is a conclusion reached from evaluating evidence. As we each evaluate evidence in a different way; and as each of us has to rely on different experiences, backgrounds educations, even our inter-relationships. We cannot evaluate evidence exactly the same way.

This is where a concept called "concensus" comes into play. If a greater number of "evidence evaluators" seem to approach one conclusion, over another, if sufficient agreement is reached, we tend to conclude something has been "proved."

Take two possibilities as regards God.
A) Exist; Then - B) not exist.

If A) -then not B); If not A -then B)

If God exists, we have no way of testing the posit. We cannot rely upon empirical evidence, as it does not apply. We cannot measure, nor weigh God, nor can we limit, nor free Him. We can establish no parameters in any capacity whatsoever.

The "Thomistic Reality" fails in that it only leads to an ever wider circle of questions. For, even if you discover
"Thomistically" that God is a reality, you still know absolutely nothing about him, except for his "Thomistic" cause. He then becomes an effect of our own logical premise.

But, if God reveals Himself to us, we can then weigh the evidence of what he tells us, against what results from what He tells us.

Back to "If not God - then ...What?

So, Back to -B) not exist

If God does not exist, we must start with Three basic assumptions;
1) Matter always existed
2) Energy always existed
3) Energy somehow acted upon matter, causing a reaction, which concluded in all that we now "Thomistically" see, and examine, as evidence. (Thomistic Evidence is comprised of what we can measure of experience; i.e., what we can see, hear, smell, touch, weigh, measure; plus phenomenology, etc. developed by Thomas Aquinus)

Or "Assume" God. Since we cannot "find out" God, for he tells us he is "past finding out," suppose we simply listen to what he has to say about himself, and put THAT to the test. Remembering, we have no way of testing HIM. But we are told to test his word. "Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good," the Apostle tells us.

Now to our original argument, as relates to "Proving" the existence of God. Can't be done!

I believe I can, however, show enough evidence to believe that what God says about himself, is more reasonable than to assume B) -Not God over A)-God

Or to put it another way.

It is more reasonable (Come let us reason together saith the Lord) to assume God; and then look to God as He reveals to us about Himself; than it is to assume Not-God; and try to find answers in science, or man's reason, or logic, as to where the concepts of Soul, Guilt, Forgiveness, conscience, and such like, come from. They are neither energy, nor matter; Thus could NOT have come about from Energy acting upon Matter. There HAS TO BE another explanation.

And God is much easier to work with than non-existent evidence. We at least have His cooperation in our search for truth.

Often we first become discouraged, then frustrated; finally Futility enters our thoughts, as we seek truth against a barrage of "authorities." Doctors of Theology; men with lists of degrees behind their names. Schools of great reputation making lofty pronouncements; Long Histories of doctrine offered as evidence. Empiricists, galore; And so it goes.

But God said, "Come, let "US" reason together. You and God. Not WE and God. God wants you to reason with HIM. God does however, have one ally, who is a constant companion to Him, and dear to his heart. It is Wisdom. Wisdom tells us in Proverbs eight, of her origin. Before God did anything else, He brought forth Wisdom.

Wisdom was present when God created, in the beginning. It was to Wisdom God spoke when He said "Let us make man in our image." [Gen 1:26]

We then, are made in the Image of God and Wisdom. Is it any wonder we stand and gaze hungrily towards the heavens, not looking for a big bang to satisfy our soul's longing; But rather, looking to our maker, for comfort in a very hard situation?

No Sir! I cannot "prove" the existance of God. But I sure derive a great deal of comfort in the evidence that has come my way, and in the understanding He has given me.

The strange thing about it is, that you also can find comfort in His word. Just quit looking to the denominational doctrines, and start reading, praying, weeping, whatever it takes, and He will show you. That is the very first thing promised to all men. SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!

God said it.

I believe it.

That settles it.

I am - Overwhelmed by the evidence for his being - And Rewarded for my Faith.
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It can't be proven that there's a God, much less prove the Bible myths, so yes, it's not important since it can't be done.

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