Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Very well said.

There is no such thing as free insurance. Nothing is really "free" someone else somewhere somehow is paying for it.

Lefties must think these things just appear out of thin air. Ironic that whenever the left declares it is helping the poor and underprivledged they're actually doing more harm than good. It is almost as if they're trying to find more ways to screw people rather than help. But I digress.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

My son is one of them (his wife also) and we just went round round about this so I showed them in the bill, after an hour it well sh-t.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

More and more of them are going to find they were had by the Dems who pushed this thing on us. I wonder what they will be thinking when they find out, after it is too late.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Well the reaction we got this afternoon was real good. He like they can't do that and was they already did to a point.

bahmer

I taught my kids two simple rules of life. 1. Life isn't fair get over it. 2. There is no such thing as a free lunch someone has to pay for it. And if you have any more questions see rules one and two above.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

For one thing it's not a free lunch, it's paid for mostly by them.

No you have that wrong, there is a FREE lunch, look at what those on enemplyment in 35 states, at the lower end of the wage scale it pay better to stay home. Takes away self reliance and has turned Americans into takers rather workers.

bahmer

It's still not free someone has to pay for them to receive their free lunch. It comes out of the working class persons taxes/ As Margaret Thatcher once said is that socialism works real well until you run out of other peoples money. That is where we are today people all of these "free gifts" that people think are free someone is paying for them whether they want to or not and that is where the rub comes in. Some people have the audacity to think that the money they earn is theirs and if they want to donate to some charity they would like the privilege of choosing that charity. I know that this absolutely horrible and their are many who shudder at the thought of people actually doing that but that was how we were once upon a time. It wasn't until this craving for power that the demoncrats came up with the welfare plan to entrap people into believing that they had to v**e for this party to maintain their level of lifestyle at the expense of others.

eden

Sir, my request for grown ups was in response to the hostile and abusive language from some folks that fail to balance their prejudice with even a modicum of suggestion for a solution.My best wishes for you with Medicare, America's experiment with social medicine. Ironic that older people don't want to do away with Medicare yet spit nails at the idea of a public option to the bloated profit driven private health care system.Thank you for the grudging concession that Medicare "could be a bit socialist in nature". that would be the grown up talking. You are more of a pragmatist than you care to admit I think but I love you for it.
I was raised in one of those western "Socialist" countries the political right is so fond of disparaging so the idea that I don't know anything about socialized
medicine is not correct. I lived in the UK and Europe for a time plus Australia and New Zealand, all of which have some form of socialized medical.
Picking up on an interview with a disgruntled Brit about their medical system is basically worthless. All societies have their share of complainers and the brits are no exception. Walk into any english pub and you can listen to someone deliver a litany of complaints about the National Health system, but ask them if they would like to exchange it for the american system and you will get a look of horror. Having lived in these countries and looked at their quality of life
you get a sense of sadness that americans are basically miserable about everything including their government, their healthcare and their society in general.I don't think Obamacare is or will be the answer but it has, whether we like it or not opened up the discussion about how well off as a nation we are not. And worst of all it demonstrates the utter lack of regard we have for our neighbors, our fellow villagers, our fellow Americans.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Funny how someone like you allegedly comes from a European style socialist medicine system and you expect it to work just as well over here where as it is being proven time and again that socialized medicine is very ineffecient?

Oh sure a benefactor of such a system would give it high praise but you don't think about people who have been victims of socialized medicine? How self serving of you.

eden

Let me start by disabusing you of the notion that I "alledge" anything. Try re-reading my post. Nowhere do I say I expect it (a European style Socialized Medical System) to work in America, (it clearly will not.) You do not provide any evidence to support your statement that (it) "is proven time and time again that socialized medicine is very inefficient". (And the current American Medical "system" IS efficient????) No, it is the most expensive and cumbersome system in the world and presides over the non-delivery of affordable health care to somewhere north of 40 million americans. In a country so wealthy, so blessed of so many other resources, this is simply disgraceful. The government giving "free" things to it's people fosters an unhealthy dependency over time, but here we have the opposite extreme, where the government takes in huge amouts of money in the form of taxation from it's citizens and spends it disproportionately on war toys and bloated beaurocracies of governance.

The point missed in many of these posts is that if all the energy wasted on sniping at the kenyan c****e muslim Prez and his little health care bill was somehow constructively channeled into a real solution, different from other systems, capitalizing on the best ideas from both sides ,but ultimately better, ultimately American, a uniquely American solution would arise. America has done it before and can do it again. We just need the will.

bahmer

You do have a point and if the kenyan c****e muslim Prez was not so intense on destroying America. If the kenyan c****e muslim Prez hadn't destroyed the comgress by blaming them for every little thing. If kenyan c****e muslim Prez had actually allowed this bill to come up and get v**ed on in the normal manor maybe something could have come out of the discussions and we could have a decent bill. But since it went the other way we are now entangled by the left not wanting to budge one inch on their bill and not wanting to compromise and dingy Harry not allowing anything republican to be brought up in the senate we are at an impasse. So the question remains since no one wants the OIllegalcare bill and the democrats want a single payer system and thus gain more control over the country how do we go about resolving the differences? There are many solutions and some have been presented but we always end in gridlock. The kenyan c****e muslim Prez is intent on destroying us and right now our congress doesn't appear smart enough to figure this out.

faithistheword

It's not about improving our health care--it's about having total control over all facets of our lives. By adding layers and layers of administration to getting well, we can't survive. All we needed was more choices in insurance coverage. If we could seek insurance across state lines, we'd have been satisfied. How did they convince congress that our health care industry was broken? That bunch of crooks all have a stake in it.

faithistheword

What a load of BS!!
Americans were not dissatisfied with their health care--they were complaining about the costs going up, but we all knew we had the best health care system in the world.
I'm tired of that liberal garbage--If we don't want obamacare, we h**e our neighbors! More BS! As for Medicare--if we'd have had a choice, we'd have v**ed THAT down, too. But we pay for it all our working lives! I'm also tired of people who apparently have lived all over the world, and end up here, in the USA, and decide to turn it into what they left!

bahmer

It almost sounds like Piers Morgan on health insurance.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

No difference, just the subject matter.