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Which is more evil for America? Islamic Extremists? Or Our own citizens?
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Jul 30, 2015 06:08:10   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
You are a religious fanatic. There is little if any difference between you and the Islamic State of Iraq (ISIS).


O.K. I comprehend the male counterpart to the Female stupidity.

Explain how Islam, who kills to whip everyone into line through fear, equates to a Christian who educates to invite everyone through knowledge, to taste of the fruits of God's provenance?

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You feel compelled you force your religious beliefs on everyone else.


If you think you are going to convince even one reader, that your reading a post on a political board is going to "force" you to do anything, you are more stupid that your female counterpart.

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I understand fully the "context of abortion " with this discussion. Your ideas of the purpose of a woman as nothing more than a servant of ,or a companion to man. Is just ridiculous. Women are partners with men. Equal in every real sense. They are to be respected.


1st) where did you come up with this "nothing more than" idiocy?
2nd) Tell it to God. It was His message.
3rd) Women are partners in protecting, nourishing, and maturing progeny. Not in murdering them without given her "partner" a vote.

Are you a member of the genital idiots club? You sure sound like one.

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Jul 30, 2015 07:56:36   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Artemis wrote:
You are exactly correct, the egg is the cell of a woman. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Actually "thirty years to life" is the sentence in the cell of a woman who murders her unborn.

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Jul 30, 2015 09:43:37   #
Artemis
 
Theo wrote:
Actually "thirty years to life" is the sentence in the cell of a woman who murders her unborn.


This is not any debate, this post is simply another religious tirade to push your own standpoint, very typical.

You question my ability to read, when it is yours that is in question. I did not equate not responding to your comment to validating you...you did. Your ego trips you up every time, possibly because of it's immensity.

You are professing your opinion when life begins, as fact, very narcissistic.

Life does not begin with the egg it is only half of the equation, as is the sperm. If one does not connect with the other, guess what happens....nothing. :roll: :roll: :roll:
No matter what religious esoteric philosophy YOU wish to attach to it. It doesn't matter.

Life "begins " at fertilization. You know how I know this? Due to the fact there are millions of woman with plenty of eggs but CANNOT get pregnant. HMMMMMM why do you think that is? Life is in them, they got all that blood flowing, but no baby? An enigma maybe??? She's got the egg he's got the seed, but nothing. Is this God's joke, a punishment, yes that's what it must be because we know how much he likes to do that right?

Here's another fact, many woman lose their baby's, why is that, what is that baby suicide??? At what point do you ever acknowledge the physical science of it? I really want to know, me with all my female stupidity and you with all your supreme knowledge, male superiority and genius. What is your answer?

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Jul 30, 2015 10:16:52   #
Marcus Johnson
 
Theo wrote:
1st) where did you come up with this "nothing more than" idiocy?
2nd) Tell it to God. It was His message.
3rd) Women are partners in protecting, nourishing, and maturing progeny. Not in murdering them without given her "partner" a vote.

Are you a member of the genital idiots club? You sure sound like one.


Pro-life organizations are prone to violence. Just like ISIS, Pro-life advocates have committed acts of murder,attempted murder, kidnapping, bombings, vandalism, and physical harassment.

You quote biblical verses as if they are scientific facts, which clearly they are not.

If you think an egg is "alive " then I suppose you would consider all life forms "alive "?

If that's true then the only way humans can survive is to murder all other lifeforms. Even if you were a vegetarian you would still have to murder the veggies!

You MURDERER ! LOL!

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Jul 30, 2015 18:45:17   #
Marcus Johnson
 
Theo wrote:
Actually "thirty years to life" is the sentence in the cell of a woman who murders her unborn.


1.The US Supreme Court has declared abortion to be a fundamental right ,guaranteed by the US Constitution.
2.Reproductive choice empowers women by giving them control over their bodies.
3.Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable"
4.Fetuses are incapable of feeling pain when most abortions are performed.
5.Access to legal,professionally-performed abortions reduces maternal injury and death caused by unsafe,illegal abortions.
6.Modern abortion procedures are safe and do not cause lasting health issues such as cancer and infertility.
7.Women who receive abortions are less likely to suffer mental health problems than women denied abortions.
8.Abortion gives pregnant women the optionto choose not to bring fetuses with profound abnormalities to fulfill term.
9.Women who are denied abortions are more likely to become unemployed, to be on public welfare, To be below the poverty line, and to become victims of domestic violence.
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Reproductive choice protects women from financial disadvantage.
11.A baby should not come into this world unwanted.
12.Abortion reduces welfare costs to taxpayers.
13.Abortion reduces crime.
14.Abortion is justified as a means of population control.
15.Many religious organizations and people of faith support women's reproductive choice.

I can defend each one of these positions.

I would like to add. The bible, despite interpretationsto the contrary, contains no explicit condemnation of abortion, and does not portray to killing of a fetus as equivalent to the killing of a human being. In Exodus 21:22-25, the crime,of causing a woman to miscarry is treated as a property crime,whereas killing the woman is considered murder and is punished with the death penalty.

Have a good day. Theo (Neandertal).

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Jul 30, 2015 21:25:42   #
Artemis
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
1.The US Supreme Court has declared abortion to be a fundamental right ,guaranteed by the US Constitution.
2.Reproductive choice empowers women by giving them control over their bodies.
3.Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable"
4.Fetuses are incapable of feeling pain when most abortions are performed.
5.Access to legal,professionally-performed abortions reduces maternal injury and death caused by unsafe,illegal abortions.
6.Modern abortion procedures are safe and do not cause lasting health issues such as cancer and infertility.
7.Women who receive abortions are less likely to suffer mental health problems than women denied abortions.
8.Abortion gives pregnant women the optionto choose not to bring fetuses with profound abnormalities to fulfill term.
9.Women who are denied abortions are more likely to become unemployed, to be on public welfare, To be below the poverty line, and to become victims of domestic violence.
10.
Reproductive choice protects women from financial disadvantage.
11.A baby should not come into this world unwanted.
12.Abortion reduces welfare costs to taxpayers.
13.Abortion reduces crime.
14.Abortion is justified as a means of population control.
15.Many religious organizations and people of faith support women's reproductive choice.

I can defend each one of these positions.

I would like to add. The bible, despite interpretationsto the contrary, contains no explicit condemnation of abortion, and does not portray to killing of a fetus as equivalent to the killing of a human being. In Exodus 21:22-25, the crime,of causing a woman to miscarry is treated as a property crime,whereas killing the woman is considered murder and is punished with the death penalty.

Have a good day. Theo (Neandertal).
1.The US Supreme Court has declared abortion to b... (show quote)



Excellent Points :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 31, 2015 02:07:07   #
fiatlux
 
Theo wrote:
1st) where did you come up with this "nothing more than" idiocy?
2nd) Tell it to God. It was His message.
3rd) Women are partners in protecting, nourishing, and maturing progeny. Not in murdering them without given her "partner" a vote.

Are you a member of the genital idiots club? You sure sound like one.


Theo, loving gentleness and kindness is a command of love. Not being loving in this fashion is un-Christian. You are acting outside the kingdom of God.

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Jul 31, 2015 02:30:34   #
smurphy Loc: Co
 
Theo wrote:
There is a whole world of difference between two men fighting, and a pregnant woman gets between them and gets hurt; and a woman deciding to murder her naturally begotten offspring.

They are not even in the same category; and no - "monetary recompense" is not an issue in the case of murder.


THAT CLEARLY IS NOT THE POINT of what Fiatlux said: if the death of a fetus does not automatically call for death, what is the status of a fetus?

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Jul 31, 2015 10:44:56   #
Artemis
 
fiatlux wrote:
Theo, loving gentleness and kindness is a command of love. Not being loving in this fashion is un-Christian. You are acting outside the kingdom of God.



Nailed it :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

We do have complete free will and that is all inclusive, including whether a woman choses to continue to grow a fetus or not.

The only thing I do not agree with you, is the word command. We are not commanded to do anything.

To love and be loved is in our own self interest, but we must "learn" to go even beyond that. We are here to experience and learn in our very mortal life. We have complete free will with all the rewards and challenges that come with it.

We have to correct our own errors that are self inflicted. We have to be the ones to figure it out. If we observe spiritual cues we are guided to and through our own path. Just my opinion.

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