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"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life." -- Exodus 21:22-23

Artemis

Birth "control" is NOT becoming pregnant, this is why I stated abortion as not controlling anything. This is also why I said education, and the day after pill was a viable choice in birth control.

The reference to realist is the fact that girls, usually young, are caught unprepared which is why the day after pill can prevent pregnancies, ergo prevent abortions.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

There is a whole world of difference between two men fighting, and a pregnant woman gets between them and gets hurt; and a woman deciding to murder her naturally begotten offspring.

They are not even in the same category; and no - "monetary recompense" is not an issue in the case of murder.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Perhaps you should actually READ what I posted.
(color added to facilitate a woman who does not read what is written)



No, it is the function of a man to straighten out stupidity in a woman when she is being "condescending and arrogant."

The function of a woman, the reason for which she was formed from the rib of a man, was to provide a sanctuary for his seed; to nourish it, and to cherish it, to protect it from all harm, and especially from the foibles of humanity; like war, or starvation, or inattention, anything that will endanger its probability of being sustained to fruition.

If you don't want a baby, don't prostitute yourself to a man, then claim your body is exclusively yours. THAT body has been voluntarily turned over to a new resident with full expectation of sustenance and protection as long as the need lasts. ANYTHING OTHER than that is a lie.



Very few. Six nights would be more probable.

Marcus Johnson

I am joining this conversation late . However Theo your concept of the value and purpose of a woman is, that of an Neandertal.

You can't seriously believe that a woman'sprimary function is to a human incubator.

It's 2015 AD Your attitude is closer to 2015 BCE.

Your opinion on what constitutes life is ....interesting. ....
An egg is basically a collection of cells as is a sperm cell. They are not conscious entity's capable of feeling pain ,joy ,hope or any other emotions .

My opinion on abortion is that it's a woman's body ,it's a woman's decision. So I guess that makes me Pro-Choice.
I don't like the idea of abortion being a form of birth control, as there many ,many better alternatives.

Marcus Johnson

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Well said!

Artemis

It took you a little while to get back to me on that, hmmm wonder why.

I understood what you said, I didn't find a reason to validate it, do you really want to go there with me?

Now you want to define when life begins for everybody, and not physically but esoterically, go right ahead.

I mean, I'm just sitting here waiting for a seed to protect, right?

If they're so precious why don't you protect you own damn seed, I must say guys are spilling them constantly, all by yourselves. :lol: :lol: :lol: Tell me is that murder?

Artemis

You are exactly correct, the egg is the cell of a woman. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Marcus Johnson

If it is murder then I am a mass murderer! LOL!

Artemis

You and ALLLLL MEN!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Marcus Johnson

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :wink:

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said[/color=, [color=red]It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Tell me if you can, what was the first generation that came into the world by a different method than that spoken into existence by the God of the Neanderthals!

Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth[/color].

Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Then tell me how it is you think YOU are an exception? You think you exist from a process different from that which produced the Neanderthal? THAT is arrogance. That is false pride.



The context was "ABORTION!" Hello!!! Anyone home? In the context of Abortion, the woman is to protect and nurture, not neglect and murder.

You can't seriously think that a woman's primary function is to grovel in lust with every man that wanders into her space!



You remember those days, do you? Which History book are you reading, that tells you the Neanderthals murdered their unborn?



Not MY OPINION. God's instruction.



So in your "opinion" a sperm CELL is a collection of CELL'S?
Care to explain how THAT works?



Who told you THAT? Your Mother? Or some Godless woman with whom you grovel in lust? Or some Godless scientist who thinks to replace God in the hearts and minds of Men?



THAT is NOT what that makes you. It makes you an accessory to MURDER.

A Woman has the right to choose. When the male approaches with desire, that is the time for her to choose. NO ONE has taken that away from her. All she has to do to exercise that right, is say "NO!" And mean it.

After she becomes pregnant, it is her God-given function to nourish and protect that by which God has blessed her; the precious gift of life. Her body is no longer hers by right of exclusion. She already made the choice you throw around so callously, She chose to mate and destroy. It is NOT her right. She has shared her body, brought new life into it, to share, to nourish, to shelter, to provide, and to bring to natural fruition. After the child is grown enough to be weaned, it is once again "Her body." UNTIL THEN, it is
"Theirs!"

AND HOW DARE YOU OR ANY OTHER MAN STEP IN TO TAKE THE SIDE OF A MURDEROUS WOMAN, when it is YOUR "PRIMARY FUNCTION" TO PROVIDE for, to protect, and to facilitate her comfort and sustenance while she is otherwise occupied in producing YOUR progeny. And it is not your's to destroy, but is given you in trust, to bring up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:



So what? If Murder is the method of choice, name it Abortion, assign ownership of the facility to the woman, and move on to the next female that catches your eye, and protect HER right to commit murder in the name of
"property rights" (it is MY BODY).

Welcome to the discussion.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Does your arrogance drive you to thoroughly? Do you really suppose your little constant irritations is the only itch I scratch?

I am on several boards, plus much time is spent in studying issues rather than just reacting to the study of others.



Already did! You lie when you say you didn't have a reason to "Validate" it. YOU are not the one validating anything I post. I am. I post it to elevate you to the realm of literacy, which your own posts seem to lack. You rant, rave, and otherwise come across as somehow scary. I

Now you want to define when life begins for everybody, and not physically but esoterically, go right ahead.

I mean, I'm just sitting here waiting for a seed to protect, right?

If they're so precious why don't you protect you own damn seed, I must say guys are spilling them constantly, all by yourselves. :lol: :lol: :lol: Tell me is that murder?[/quote]

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Does your arrogance drive you to thoroughly? Do you really suppose your little constant irritations is the only itch I scratch?

I am on several boards, plus much time is spent in studying issues rather than just reacting to the study of others.



Already did! You lie when you say you didn't have a reason to "Validate" it. YOU are not the one validating anything I post. I am. I post it to elevate you to the realm of literacy, which your own posts seem to lack. You don't read what is posted, then pass judgments based on what is not written.

And you pretend to qualify to "validate" ME? Get real.



Ol' "switch and bait?" I know more than you do about when life begins in the reproduction cycle, as this little exchange demonstrates quite well. It began in the Garden of Eden, and has not changes one bit for several hundred centuries.

Whatever gave you the idea it is "Esoteric?" No mystery. Just History. None have been produced from raw material in a scientific endeavor in a lab. So, what's this "esoteric" nonsense? Demonstrating a vocabulary, in an effort to redeem an imagined intelligence? Too late.

If you really want to demonstrate an intelligence, try comprehending that you are not the dominant functioneer in the dominant species. In other words, YOU do not qualify as the determiner in who gets to live and who does not. God is. All souls belong to HIM, not you. God is the dominant functioneer in the species "Soul." And the soul is made in the image thereof.

You may choose ignorance, thinking that the less you know about it the less you are responsible for knowing. It doesn't work that way. We are all given the same opportunity to learn what is ours to learn. It is called a "lifetime." Some are longer than others, some shorter, but it is still a lifetime." And to beg "ignorance" at the judgment, when you still have life in which to learn, smacks of arrogance.



Not unless you can find a man stupid enough to trust you with his most precious commodity, his progeny.



Already protected, developed, matured, and replicated in the same crucible of theocracy known as "Faith."



YOU tell me!
Genesis 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Marcus Johnson

You are a religious fanatic. There is little if any difference between you and the Islamic State of Iraq
(ISIS).
You feel compelled you force your religious beliefs on everyone else. .

I understand fully the "context of abortion " with this discussion. Your ideas of the purpose of a woman as nothing more than a servant of ,or a companion to man. Is just ridiculous. Women are partners with men. Equal in every real sense. They are to be respected.

Are you a member of the "Westboro Baptist Church? "
Because you sure sound like one.