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It's as ridiculous to maintain that secession was not at all about s***ery as it is to maintain that it was completely about s***ery. A strong majority of southerners were not s***e owners.
Abraham Lincoln and his Republicans insisted no extension of s***ery into the new territories which meant no new s***e states to balance free states in Congress, especially the Senate. Republcans had no altruism in that position, rather they wanted to impose more tariffs on the states to finance their public works projects. It was the Morrill Tariff and that was the final preciptating straw. Southern, primarily agrarian, states were very dependent on imports.
According to Lynn Jarvis in articles at lewrockwell.com, thousands and even hundreds of thousands of s***es had been freed n the years preceding The War for Confederate Secession.
Although a school has recently emerged that s***ery was profitable for plantation owners, most studies I know about, have stated that it was doomed.
There were many abolitionist groups in the South, as cited Thomas Sowell. Thomas Stonewall Jackson and his wife had a school for b****s on their farm in what is now West Virginia. Ive read it was a capital crime at the time.
There were also many freed s***es who supported The Confederacy, especially in and around New Orleans. Many s***es fought for The Confederacy in exchange for their freedom.
Actual Confederate soldiers fought for their countries, their states. Conscription was necessary to even raise armies in much of the North and there were massive draft r**ts in New York City as dramatized in Gangs of New York.
No matter what else, we remain the only major nation that ended s***ery through violence.
The Confederate f**g was placed on f**gs and official buildings as a sign of defiance to coming integration & I think because of that it should be removed but relegated to a place of honor, perhaps in memorial parks. It can also be incorporated in arrays on official f**gs, sort of as a five or six f**gs over wh**ever constellation. It is too bad that it became a symbol of defiance of federal encroachment over integration because defiance of federal power is a worthy cause.
There is also the fact that Pope Leo XIII wrote a letter to Robert E. Lee lamenting the loss of the War for Secession. Also, it is ironic that liberals. who so flaunt their commitment to vigorous intellectual debate and a their vaunted judiciary, do not recognize that the issue of secession was settled on the battlefield but not in their vaunted courts.
In fact, as Charlie Reese has pointed out, The Confederacy never officially surrendered. Its still out there somewhere, so maybe there is an argument for its official display?
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Excellent point!
As noted, all other nations at that time ended s***ery with not a shot fired; many used the doctrine of "compensated emancipation," whereby s***eowners were compensated via a formula.
Only Lincoln deemed it "politically expedient" to UNLEASH HELL upon the U.S.
And what, praytell, did Lincoln REALLY think of the American Negro? Observe:
5 Things You May Not Know About Lincoln, S***ery and Emancipation
Lincoln, S***ery and Emancipation
Depiction by Francis Bicknell Carpenter of Abraham Lincolns first reading of the Emancipation Proclamation, in July 1862. It hangs in the U.S. Capitol.
1. Lincoln wasnt an abolitionist.
Lincoln did believe that s***ery was morally wrong, but there was one big problem: It was sanctioned by the highest law in the land, the Constitution. The nations founding fathers, who also struggled with how to address s***ery, did not explicitly write the word s***ery in the Constitution, but they did include key clauses protecting the institution, including a fugitive s***e clause and the three-fifths clause, which allowed Southern states to count s***es for the purposes of representation in the federal government. In a three-hour speech in Peoria, Illinois, in the fall of 1854, Lincoln presented more clearly than ever his moral, legal and economic opposition to s***eryand then admitted he didnt know exactly what should be done about it within the current political system.
Abolitionists, by contrast, knew exactly what should be done about it: S***ery should be immediately abolished, and freed s***es should be incorporated as equal members of society. They didnt care about working within the existing political system, or under the Constitution, which they saw as unjustly protecting s***ery and s***e owners. Leading abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison called the Constitution a covenant with death and an agreement with Hell, and went so far as to burn a copy at a Massachusetts rally in 1854. Though Lincoln saw himself as working alongside the abolitionists on behalf of a common anti-s***ery cause, he did not count himself among them. Only with emancipation, and with his support of the eventual 13th Amendment, would Lincoln finally win over the most committed abolitionists.
2. Lincoln didnt believe b****s should have the same rights as w****s.
Though Lincoln argued that the founding fathers phrase All men are created equal applied to b****s and w****s alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights. His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting negro e******y. In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political e******y of the white and black races, he began, going on to say that he opposed b****s having the right to v**e, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with w****s. What he did believe was that, like all men, b****s had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason s***ery was inherently unjust.
Like his views on emancipation, Lincolns position on social and political e******y for African-Americans would evolve over the course of his presidency. In the last speech of his life, delivered on April 11, 1865, he argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to v**e.
3. Lincoln thought colonization could resolve the issue of s***ery.
For much of his career, Lincoln believed that colonizationor the idea that a majority of the African-American population should leave the United States and settle in Africa or Central Americawas the best way to confront the problem of s***ery. His two great political heroes, Henry Clay and Thomas Jefferson, had both favored colonization; both were s***e owners who took issue with aspects of s***ery but saw no way that b****s and w****s could live together peaceably. Lincoln first publicly advocated for colonization in 1852, and in 1854 said that his first instinct would be to free all the s***es, and send them to Liberia (the African state founded by the American Colonization Society in 1821).
Nearly a decade later, even as he edited the draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in August of 1862, Lincoln hosted a delegation of freed s***es at the White House in the hopes of getting their support on a plan for colonization in Central America. Given the differences between the two races and the hostile attitudes of w****s towards b****s, Lincoln argued, it would be better for us both, therefore, to be separated. Lincolns support of colonization provoked great anger among black leaders and abolitionists, who argued that African-Americans were as much natives of the country as w****s, and thus deserved the same rights. After he issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln never again publicly mentioned colonization, and a mention of it in an earlier draft was deleted by the time the final proclamation was issued in January 1863.
4. Emancipation was a military policy.
As much as he h**ed the institution of s***ery, Lincoln didnt see the Civil War as a struggle to free the nations 4 million s***es from bondage. Emancipation, when it came, would have to be gradual, and the important thing to do was to prevent the Southern r*******n from severing the Union permanently in two. But as the Civil War entered its second summer in 1862, thousands of s***es had fled Southern plantations to Union lines, and the federal government didnt have a clear policy on how to deal with them. Emancipation, Lincoln saw, would further undermine the Confederacy while providing the Union with a new source of manpower to crush the r*******n.
In July 1862 the president presented his draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation to his cabinet. Secretary of State William Seward urged him to wait until things were going better for the Union on the field of battle, or emancipation might look like the last gasp of a nation on the brink of defeat. Lincoln agreed and returned to edit the draft over the summer. On September 17 the bloody Battle of Antietam gave Lincoln the opportunity he needed. He issued the preliminary proclamation to his cabinet on September 22, and it was published the following day. As a cheering crowd gathered at the White House, Lincoln addressed them from a balcony: I can only trust in God I have made no mistake
It is now for the country and the world to pass judgment on it.
5. The Emancipation Proclamation didnt actually free all of the s***es.
Since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a military measure, it didnt apply to border s***e states like Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, all of which had remained loyal to the Union. Lincoln also exempted selected areas of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control in hopes of gaining the loyalty of w****s in those states. In practice, then, the Emancipation Proclamation didnt immediately free a single s***e, as the only places it applied were places where the federal government had no controlthe Southern states currently fighting against the Union.
Despite its limitations, Lincolns proclamation marked a crucial turning point in the evolution of Lincolns views of s***ery, as well as a turning point in the Civil War itself. By wars end, some 200,000 black men would serve in the Union Army and Navy, striking a mortal blow against the institution of s***ery and paving the way for its eventual abolition by the 13th Amendment.
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