KHH1

**See a black lady defending the f**g-she suffers from Stockholm's Syndrome**

http://thegrio.com/2015/07/03/confederate-f**g-defenders-history-heritage/

Opinion
by Demeteria Irwin |

The Confederate battle f**g is a symbol of w***e s*******y and hatred. This is not some extreme left-wing, Obama super fan interpretation of it. This is a statement of fact. As Ta-Nehisi Coates succinctly and eloquently pointed out in his Atlantic piece, the Confederate states were very clear on their reasons for seceding from the Union.

Louisiana, for example, specifically noted that s***ery was the primary motivation for secession.

“As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of s***ery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the s***e holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African s***ery.”

No secessionist f**g should fly over any nation. Period. The war was fought, and the Confederacy lost. It’s over. The Confederate battle f**g is a memento from the losing side. The oft-mentioned reason for holding on to the good ol’ stars and bars is that it’s not about r****m or s***ery (please see the above quote), bt rather Southern p***e.

There are numerous reasons to be proud about Southern heritage — the meals cooked with equal amounts of butter and love, music that flows from the muddy bosom of the Mississippi River straight to the soul and awe-inspiring, natural wonders that no man-made structure could even begin to match. Southerners should be proud about those contributions to the world. But the Confederate f**g does not represent those wonderful cultural gifts. That garish red f**g with a blue cross slashed across it, waved over battlefields during the Civil War as Confederates took and lost thousands of lives in the name of the states’ right to preserve s***ery.

Confederates sacrificed many sons to maintain the cruel and inhumane practice of chattel s***ery — an institution embedded in w***e s*******y. And though s***ery was abolished in the United States in 1865, its effects still reverberate today in all facets of life, such as banks red-lining majority black neighborhoods, colorism, de-facto segregation and school resources doled out unfairly along racial lines.

All of these poison fruits come from the tree of w***e s*******y, the notion that black people are inherently less than white people. That is what the Confederate f**g represents. Feeling p***e about the Confederate f**g equates to believing in w***e s*******y. That is a dangerous concept, and in recent weeks, this country has seen the ugly violence of “proud” Confederate f**g dev**ees.

So, Ms. Karen Cooper, when your fellow f**ggers and Tea Partiers trot you out at rallies and events with your brown skin and flowing locks, it is not because they believe all black people are great and equal to them. They believe you are “different” (and gullible).

It was painful to watch that video and hear you speak with gratitude and awe about white people smiling and saying hello to you in the South and how that was when it became clear to you that white people weren’t so bad. Of course all white people aren’t bad. Every race contains people with diverse sets of values, morals and behavior. And as a great songwriter once said, “Respect is just the minimum.”

But you somehow made the leap from understanding that there are good white people to embracing a symbol that represents hatred of people who look like you. As an African-American woman, you almost certainly have ens***ed ancestors. Your ancestors suffered under the violent tyranny of s***ery. That f**g you so proudly wave was flown on battlefields for men fighting to keep your ancestors physically, mentally, culturally and financially shackled. How can you celebrate that?

People like to note that a lot of government-sanctioned cruelty has been done under the American f**g, so if we keep flying that, lovers of the stars and bars should be able to keep flying the Confederate f**g. It is true that much blood has been shed on the American f**g, but the difference is that America was founded on an idealistic notion of e******y. (Sure, the founding fathers only had white men in mind when they drew up the Declaration of Independence, but that’s another article.)

There have been good and bad and hard won battles about who gets all of the rights afforded to Americans and hence defining what makes an American. The Confederacy, however, was explicitly created for the purpose of propagating w***e s*******y and keeping black people ens***ed. That’s it. It has nothing to do with sweet tea and magnolia trees.

Also, Ms. Cooper, to your assertion that s***ery was a choice … no. Just no.

There is work to do to dismantle w***e s*******y and get closer to the utopian notions of e******y that this nation was founded upon (only this time, the utopia would be inclusive of all races and g****rs).

The brave Bree Newsomes of the world will keep putting in that work, but please, put down the f**g.

-Demetria

gynojunkie

Start of Civil War: April 12, 1861
Reading of the Emancipation Proclamation: September 22, 1862

See a problem?

The proclamation declared "that all persons held as s***es" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

See a problem?

S***es in the Northern states were not freed by the EP. The hope--the practical hope of the EP--was to free Southern s***es, causing them to run amok, hopefully to then cause rebs to run home to deal with the freed s***es--who were, for their part, supposed to be attacking those defenseless old men, girls and moms of the Deep South.

The War of Northern Aggression was begun for the purpose of forcing S. Carolina back into the fold--s***es be damned.

S. Carolina represented money, taxation--revenue-- to the FedGov; it could not be allowed to go its separate way, sparking other states to do likewise.

THEREFORE, while the case can certainly be made that the f**g of the Confederacy may well be 'a symbol of w***e s*******y and hatred,' that f**g should properly have flown over the North as well.

Hypocrites! (Lincoln, the FedGov and the North, that is).

KHH1

By 1789, four of the Northern states had adopted policies to at least gradually abolish s***ery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). By 1804 all the other Northern states had abolished s***ery: New York (1799), New Jersey (1804). Vermont abolished s***ery in 1777, while it was still independent, and when it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791 it was the first state to join untainted by s***ery. Kentucky was created a s***e state from Virginia (1792), and Tennessee was created a s***e state from North Carolina (1796). By 1800, before the creation of new states from the federal western territories, the number of s***e and free states was eight each. In popular usage, the geographic divide between the s***e and free states was called the Mason–Dixon line.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Well that is such a amazing thing. Sure looks good. All these states freeing the s***e. However, you ignore history. When Johnny Red Coat marched in they liberated every s***e they encountered. Leaving women with small children and the very old and sick who could not reach the Brit's lines. And yes, after the Revolutionary War, laws were passed. When you read these laws... a tiny gem is found. The law only freed s***es born after the act took effect, indenturing those born prior to the law’s passage to their mother’s master until the age of 28. And all current s***es, they were no more free than when the law was passed!! What did the Liberal politicians loose? Nothing, but they gained favor with Liberals and won v**es.... more specifically they bought v**es. For the most part, they opened the door to jail cells that were already empty. And the emancipation act, well that only freed the s***es in states that opposed the Union.

Before you post, you really should know some history first.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Ah, the great issue of the day is not 92,000,000 (92 million) of our own citizens unemployed;

millions of i*****l a***ns from all over the globe, invading this land annually, with the willing assistance of our inadequately inane federal government; -

and in doing so overcrowding our schools, bankrupting our hospitals as they spread diseases not seen in the U.S. in over one hundred years, and robbing our Social Security funds;

nor is it approaching wars and rumors of wars rapidly engaging us from the East - China, from the North - Russia, and from the Mideast - Iran, as our insane President and Secretary of State proclaim "peace in our time."

Rather, our great cause célèbre is the unfettered flight of the 150 year old f**g of the long defunct Confederate States Army...

Good to know!

KHH1

I was responding to someone else....I was finished with your dishonest r****t lying azz long ago...

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

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It's as ridiculous to maintain that secession was not at all about s***ery as it is to maintain that it was completely about s***ery. A strong majority of southerners were not s***e owners.

Abraham Lincoln and his Republicans insisted no extension of s***ery into the new territories which meant no new s***e states to balance free states in Congress, especially the Senate. Republcans had no altruism in that position, rather they wanted to impose more tariffs on the states to finance their public works projects. It was the Morrill Tariff and that was the final preciptating straw. Southern, primarily agrarian, states were very dependent on imports.

According to Lynn Jarvis in articles at lewrockwell.com, thousands and even hundreds of thousands of s***es had been freed n the years preceding The War for Confederate Secession.
Although a school has recently emerged that s***ery was profitable for plantation owners, most studies I know about, have stated that it was doomed.

There were many abolitionist groups in the South, as cited Thomas Sowell. Thomas ‘Stonewall’ Jackson and his wife had a school for b****s on their farm in what is now West Virginia. I’ve read it was a capital crime at the time.

There were also many freed s***es who supported The Confederacy, especially in and around New Orleans. Many s***es fought for The Confederacy in exchange for their freedom.

Actual Confederate soldiers fought for their countries, their states. Conscription was necessary to even raise armies in much of the North and there were massive draft r**ts in New York City as dramatized in Gangs of New York.

No matter what else, we remain the only major nation that ended s***ery through violence.

The Confederate f**g was placed on f**gs and official buildings as a sign of defiance to coming integration & I think because of that it should be removed but relegated to a place of honor, perhaps in memorial parks. It can also be incorporated in arrays on official f**gs, sort of as a five or six f**gs over wh**ever constellation. It is too bad that it became a symbol of defiance of federal encroachment over integration because defiance of federal power is a worthy cause.

There is also the fact that Pope Leo XIII wrote a letter to Robert E. Lee lamenting the loss of the War for Secession. Also, it is ironic that liberals. who so flaunt their commitment to vigorous intellectual debate and a their vaunted judiciary, do not recognize that the issue of secession was settled on the battlefield but not in their vaunted courts.

In fact, as Charlie Reese has pointed out, The Confederacy never officially surrendered. It’s still out there somewhere, so maybe there is an argument for its official display?





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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Generally speaking, r****m is totally in the mind of the beholder. A person who has decided he is of no worth assumes EVERYONE sees him as of no worth. A person who is proud of who he is, shows he is proud and it makes others see him as a person at peace with himself. NO ONE I KNOW wants to be around whiners and complainers, and whiners and complainers are both black and white.......and alone when not within their own crowd because they repulse others solely because their attitude. This would be the owner of this thread and many others. I see him as a repulsive person and it has nothing to do with his skin. He purports to be black, but I don't know if that is true or not. He purports to be successful, but he doesn't sound like a successful person. He purports to be an intelligent person, but he cannot seem to read people very well, nor does he do logic very well. He, and others, have a problem with being unlike w****s. IF he so despises us, he should feel great about being black. It's as though he tries to make people pick on him so he can call them r****t, when if he would just shut up, all would be well, because MOST w****s are not r****t. Many, MANY b****s are r****t............it comes out every time they speak of anything of substance.

Yes, r****m is real, and it's time the author of this article - and others - quit being r****t.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Dear KHH1,

There are different shades of evil and the lady was simply stating her experiences in the north compared to the south and her perspective is the north is much more r****t.

And doesn't that count for something? What if a third of all the predominantly black public school children were bused to predominantly white public schools in the north? Would there be a uprising among b****s there that w****s were trying to erase their black culture or would they believe it was good for the bigger goal of eradicating r****m?

It would depend on their beliefs no matter what the written law said.

Cool Breeze

This reminds me of the so called 'Black Conservative' who would willingly join the present day Confederate Black Soldier! Where are these scum? Have they been 'forgotten in Southern Historical' narratives? Have they outlived their usefulness therefore committed to the flames where they belong? http://www.confederatelegion.com/Black_Confederate_Soldiers.html I've recently read about this Karen Cooper and she is a disgrace! In my humble opinion! What's really sad is that she has made her 'decision' by choice and no one forced her! May she rot in you know where! http://www.pbs.org/wnet/s***ery/experience/g****r/history2.html

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Although many b****s fought the Yankee, most were armed only with hand tools. And they defended only the private property of the farm in which they worked. It was not until the end of the war that the Confederacy armed s***es. And it was a desperate move. The Confederacy had only two choices, arm the s***es or to unite the forces of General Lee and General Joseph Johnston's army in the Carolinas. This option would have allowed them to take on Sherman and Grant. Which would have been the wiser of the two choices, but that is just my opinion.

Anyway Sherman's army was tearing up, burning down, and robbing as they moved through the South and Grant's forces were resupplied routinely. Making that army an unending steam of murdering and pillaging plague.

The Union had been "enlisting" b****s (which was actually nothing more than using them for cannon fodder) from the onset of the war. The Confederate President had debated the idea of enlisting b****s for some time. However arming s***es would essentially set them free. This was very dangerous, in light of the many w****s who had already been murdered by s***es. For those who are unaware, b****s often murdered; for example read up on Stono R*******n of 1739, The New York City Conspiracy of 1741, Gabriel’s Conspiracy, 1800, German Coast Uprising, 1811, or Nat Turner’s R*******n, 1831.

In the end, several thousand did enlist, although freedom was not a condition for their service. One could debate the reasons for decision to fight for the Confederate side.... That few thousand did not balance out the more than 200,000 who were given false promises from the Yankees.

Little or no attention has been given to the fate of the "freed" b****s. Many of the s***es fighting for the Union faced diseases to include smallpox and cholera and sadly many simply starved to death. Many northerners had no sympathy for the health of the freed s***es and hardly surprising, the anti-s***ery abolitionist began to fear that their opponents and critics were right; newly freed s***es were incapable of taking care of themselves.

The Union, making use of the s***es, placed them in "contraband camps" that were often near union army bases. Conditions were unsanitary and food supplies limited. Shockingly, some contraband camps were actually former s***e pens, meaning newly freed people ended up being kept virtual prisoners back in the same cells that had previously held them. In many such camps disease and hunger led to countless deaths. Often the only way to leave the camp was to agree to go back to work on the very same plantations from which the s***es had recently escaped.

One account, that of Joseph Miller, highlights the treatment that the newly freed s***e found with the Union. In his story, which is historical record, he says that he had come with his wife and four children to a makeshift freed s***e refugee camp within the union stronghold of Camp Nelson in Kentucky. In return for food and shelter for his family Miller joined the army. The union soldiers in 1864 cleared the ex-s***es out of Camp Nelson, effectively abandoning them to scavenge in a war-ravaged and disease-ridden landscape. One of Miller's young sons quickly sickened and died. Three weeks later, his wife and another son died. Ten days after that, his daughter perished too. Finally, his last surviving child also fell terminally ill. By early 1865 Miller himself was dead.

An excellent book on the period was written by Jim Downs called Sick From Freedom. His references are exceptional and it is an unbiased look at the freed s***e from both north and south.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Some really excellent historical points here Pennylynn. I am learning more & mroe every day about that entire history & its ambience. A lot went into both the Union's & Confederacy's decisions in this matter. I just finished Gary North's article today at lewrockwell.com. he more I learn about the varous wars & conlficts of our history, the more disgusted I get.

Take care.



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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Great post, but do you really believe a l*****t might actually read a book? About something he doesn't want to learn?

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

rodericktbeaman, you aren't alone in your disgust!!!