How the racists think (Page 4): What is less clear, perhaps, is that those who would like to think of themselves as good cops stay silent in the face of violence. I understand the peer...

jelun

alabuck wrote:

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What is less clear, perhaps, is that those who would like to think of themselves as good cops stay silent in the face of violence.
I understand the peer pressure, I don't understand the buckling to that pressure. The cops who want to be good need to stand together and BE good.

Artemis

straightUp wrote:

If the cop was trained sufficiently, there would be a LOT of things he could do. These recent incidents with police brutality are a constant reminder for me of the days following the Rodney King trial... I was involved in a marshal arts school in LA run by a Korean 8th degree master who was invited to visit the Riverside Police Department to provide some pointers on how to control situations without getting all panicky and reaching for their guns. I was amazed at how clueless these cops were. I think part of the problem is the connection to the military. Many cops got their start in the military and assume the work will be similar in the police force.

A few years back I read a series of papers on the state of our military and what really became apparent is that our military, more than any other, is highly dependent on hardware. Of course this makes sense given the fact that we have the largest military-industrial complex in human history. But what few people seem to realize is that this dependency on hardware limits our capacity to do anything other than attacking places, usually from the air. Anything that involves face to face confrontation with civilian populations, we totally suck at. Unfortunately, this is just what veterans entering law enforcement are destined to deal with.

Defiant support for the second amendment is another example of this "hardware" culture where people think reaching for the gun is the best option available. It doesn't say much for the American character when we rely on our hardware to solve our problems instead of our wisdom. I think this explains a lot of the police brutality we see these days.

In Britain, many cops on the street don't even carry guns and Americans laugh, but what these Americans don't understand is that many of these "bobbies" also come from a military force, which in their case has a far better track record than the U.S. military does when it comes to managing civilian populations and my bet is that any one of those bobbies could have handled the pool party without incident, just by being smarter.

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Excellent point, I've always told my son that it is better to be trained in a form of self defense, than to be grappling for bullets and a gun when an intruder calls.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

Artemis wrote:

Excellent point, I've always told my son that it is better to be trained in a form of self defense, than to be grappling for bullets and a gun when an intruder calls.

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This is the same reasoning that I used to get a 3rd degree black belt in TKD. I'm all for using my weapon(s) to begin with and pray to God that my aim is quick and true. However, if not, then I do have some skills in hand-zoo-hand fighting.

As a side-note, while our military does have the latest technology, in "Basic Training," they're taught basic skills in hand-to-hand fighting techniques. Of course, when in actual combat, those techniques can be hard to recall. Something about bullets whizzing by you and/or bouncing off nearby objects, and/or mortar and/or artillery rounds landing in close proximity to you, and/or the shear fact that you're scared sh*tless because this is your first taste of combat, seems to take your focus away from thinking about what would be the best technique to use to take-down this other person who is running and shooting at you, while screaming at the top of their lungs. Having been there myself, I can understand what they're going through. It can be very hard to remain focused with so many life-threatening distractions occurring simultaneously.

Our biggest advantage becomes our biggest disadvantage when the enemy gets in close quarters. Our military is carrying way too much "gear" to fight "in tight," unless and until he/she can shed their packs and get light enough to maneuver properly. One can easily tell the combat "rookies" from the combat "veterans;" just look to see how much gear the rookies carry compared to the veterans. Given time, the rookies will soon learn what's valuable and what isn't.

Artemis

alabuck wrote:

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Very true, it reminds me of how Native American tribes had the elders teach the young. Even then the newbie will still have to learn by sheer experience.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. I think of this when I think of our armed forces in the throws of hand to hand combat with someone in that practice. Let's hypnotize and say we were ever invaded by an Asian country. My train of thought is let us be well practiced in all facets which would include martial arts, as they train their military. Not only that but with a good teacher a proper philosophy goes in hand.

The gun issue there are some people who I am sure keep the weapon fully loaded and close at hand and they may have a home life contusive to that, on the other hand people who live with children may not. That being the case
if one were asleep and was able to wake up before the intruder got to them they would have to fumble through the dark to grab their gun and bullets. By then things may be to late.

I imagine I would feel more confident placing myself in a position of a surprise attack(if I were a martial arts expert) removing their weapon and subduing the perpetrator.

The Asians in general have us beat in the inclusiveness of the education of their youth. Physical fitness is paramount, it appears to be built in to their self respect along with their spirituality.

I have a son who just turned 15 and it bothers me very much that his high school only has them take a phys-ed class for half the school year.

I'm of the belief it should be everyday, as exercise increases their ability to focus, hence better learning, it's a win, win.

Some Asian counties teach the different facets to the makeup of the human being, and they are all inclusive in their education, they seem to have a better handle on that, but that may be just the appearance and only my distant observation on what I've read. There are areas we do excel in.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/poll_would_you_vote_for_donald_trump_for_president.html

Artemis

America Only wrote:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/poll_would_you_vote_for_donald_trump_for_president.html

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jelun

Artemis wrote:

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I see that you quickly determined that this was just AO being an AO.

Artemis

jelun wrote:

I see that you quickly determined that this was just AO being an AO.

I don't abide malicious people, whether drunk or sober, they deserve a good kick in the ass.

moldyoldy

Artemis wrote:

I don't abide malicious people, whether drunk or sober, they deserve a good kick in the ass.

If only your boot could reach his hidden arse.

Artemis

moldyoldy wrote:

If only your boot could reach his hidden arse.

You know Moldy I read his vile posts and ignore him all the time, I guess I'm just not in the mood today. :wink: If only my boot could reach him, only thing it would be hard to stop :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

jelun

Here is how racists think.

An Illinois man is facing multiple charges following an attack on a South American immigrant inside a Chicago bar on July 17.

According to the Chicago Tribune, Micheal Groh began shouting racial slurs at another man who was drinking at the bar, at around 1:00 am, Friday morning. Groh called the man a f*cking Mexican and began demanding to see his green card. Witnesses say that he identified himself as a Chicago police officer.

After the victim refused to show Groh any identification, he shouted additional racial and ethnic slurs, before pulling out a Smith & Wesson pellet gun. He fired the gun point blank into the mans face, hitting him once in the eye and twice in the back of the head, before being tackled by employees of the establishment.

The victim was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where he underwent emergency surgery. As of Saturday, he remained in serious condition.
Police found that Groh was wearing a tactical vest and carrying two metal badges, along with a handwritten ID, suggesting that he is as a police officer. He was also carrying handcuffs and a handcuff key.

This is the second time that Groh has launched a racially motivated attack against someone. He was convicted of a hate crime in 2004, after he attacked a black employee of a car dealership, also in Chicago. During that incident, Groh physically assaulted and threatened to kill the victim, while shouting racial slurs.

He was sentenced to less than six months in jail, followed by 2 years of probation. He was also ordered to perform 200 hours of community service.

In connection to Friday nights attack, Groh is facing a second felony hate crime charge. Additionally, he is charged with aggravated battery with the use of a deadly weapon and impersonating a police officer, along with a misdemeanor weapons violation. Hes currently being held on a $1 million bond.

There are nearly 260,000 hate crimes committed in the US every year. At least 94 percent of those crimes include an element of violence. In this case, multiple witnesses saw the attack and were able to intervene. In the majority of cases, however, thats just not the case. Sadly, almost 25 percent of hate crimes are never reported to police, particularly crimes committed against minorities and immigrants.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, over the last decade there has been a ten percent increase in the estimated number of hate crimes, per year, that arent reported to the police. Researchers believe this is likely due to the fact that some victims believe that police cant or wont protect them. This loss of trust in the police is especially evident among Latino and black citizens, as well as members of the LGBT community.

A hate crimes charge is a sentence enhancement, designed to allow the courts to sentence perpetrators like Groh to longer terms in jail or prison. Unfortunately, most people who are convicted of hate crimes still receive minimal sentences.

While we know that a very large percentage of people who are convicted of a violent crime will offend again, its unknown how many people convicted of hate crimes are repeat of offenders. Hate crimes laws are meant to send a clear message to perpetrators like Groh, that society will not tolerate racially motivated attacks. Yet, when the courts fail to use the laws as they were intended, instead giving people like this a slap on the wrist, the message is one of sympathy for the offenders, rather than for the victims of their hate.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/19/man-previously-convicted-of-racist-hate-crime-attacks-again-leaving-victim-in-serious-condition/

moldyoldy

Add this one to the list of recent attacks.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-call-to-action-in-mississippi-horse-trainers-death/ar-AAddbgI

Artemis

jelun wrote:

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Very true and yet the prisons are filled with people for minor infractions, that get their stay prolonged over and over. There was recently a black boy who was arrested for some kind of petty theft, he wound up being in jail still after two years and they found him hung in his cell.

There has just been another incident where a civil rights activist was pulled over for not using her turning signal (can you believe that) she wound up getting arrested and while n jail and awaiting either and appeal or trial, I'm not sure, they also found her hung in her cell, literally unbelievable.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-arrest-sandra-bland-woman-found-days-later-hanging-texas-jail-cell/

jelun

Artemis wrote:

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And these are just the cases that are publicized enough to make people cringe. We need for people to be prepared to record every interaction they see between law enforcement and citizens.
The Sandra Bland situation never would have been known if the private video hadn't been made even though the police dash cam showed greater detail of wrongdoing.
Here's hoping we live long enough to see some changes.

Artemis

jelun wrote:

And these are just the cases that are publicized enough to make people cringe. We need for people to be prepared to record every interaction they see between law enforcement and citizens.
The Sandra Bland situation never would have been known if the private video hadn't been made even though the police dash cam showed greater detail of wrongdoing.
Here's hoping we live long enough to see some changes.

jelun it sounds like you would be good to get involved in your community to make a difference. This doesn't happen to just black people it all comes down to the money and who can afford a "good" attorney.