vernon

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Anigav6969

You don't get banned for insulting....if so, there would be no one left on this site....but you do seem to have trouble reading....this section is for people who lean left......there are sections for religious people...do we go on there to argue with them ? No......you're not very smart Vern

vernon

[quote=jelun]See, that bit about they have to sit down is very wrong.
If there is no just cause for arrest people are free to go. These young people were not aware enough of procedure to ask, the cop knew that, though.
What you seem to misunderstand is that this thread is not about the LEO it is about the reaction of a woman who appa

he didnt know what the situation was he just answered a cal,and he has to have controll so he can get each side and know what the problem is.and i saw a interview of the woman on tv her and her black friend and she said she never called anybody a name.i know that that is the first thing that comes out of a blacks mouth that and racism.the blacks are famous for telling ;lies you know like hands up dont shoot.

vernon

this is a public forum and i will get on as i like .

Anigav6969

It's true, you have the right to be an ignorant redneck ...

Anigav6969

[quote=vernon]

Yes, they are famous for this :roll: :roll: and white racist rednecks are famous for shooting up places....looking forward to seeing you on the news

jelun

I just got in, 1:39 CT, ah okay, now I see the SC vote is to debate taking it down.
The gentleman I see speaking thinks like I do, put your traitor (my word) flag in your shop window so I know where to shop.

straightUp Loc: California

If the cop was trained sufficiently, there would be a LOT of things he could do. These recent incidents with police brutality are a constant reminder for me of the days following the Rodney King trial... I was involved in a marshal arts school in LA run by a Korean 8th degree master who was invited to visit the Riverside Police Department to provide some pointers on how to control situations without getting all panicky and reaching for their guns. I was amazed at how clueless these cops were. I think part of the problem is the connection to the military. Many cops got their start in the military and assume the work will be similar in the police force.

A few years back I read a series of papers on the state of our military and what really became apparent is that our military, more than any other, is highly dependent on hardware. Of course this makes sense given the fact that we have the largest military-industrial complex in human history. But what few people seem to realize is that this dependency on hardware limits our capacity to do anything other than attacking places, usually from the air. Anything that involves face to face confrontation with civilian populations, we totally suck at. Unfortunately, this is just what veterans entering law enforcement are destined to deal with.

Defiant support for the second amendment is another example of this "hardware" culture where people think reaching for the gun is the best option available. It doesn't say much for the American character when we rely on our hardware to solve our problems instead of our wisdom. I think this explains a lot of the police brutality we see these days.

In Britain, many cops on the street don't even carry guns and Americans laugh, but what these Americans don't understand is that many of these "bobbies" also come from a military force, which in their case has a far better track record than the U.S. military does when it comes to managing civilian populations and my bet is that any one of those bobbies could have handled the pool party without incident, just by being smarter.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Well, Texas is a shoot first and hand the cop a hero medal state...bunch'a gun happy dickheads.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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She's using her right to speak. Isn't that the same thing you think you're losing?

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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My granddad was a police chief of a 12 person police department, in Ohio. He seldom carried his police revolver, and NEVER fired it in the course of his duty. He did carry a leather "slap-stick," though. He said that he didn't want to use his revolver unless he didn't have any other option. He expected his officers to follow his lead, too. As such, during his 24 year career, there were only 2 instances of his department shooting anyone for any reason. They only used force when needed.

Of course, there was a lot more respect for our LEO's then, too. They were looked at as our "friends," not our enemies. This feeling was held by everyone in our town; citizens of both races.

moldyoldy

That would be fine if most cops did not act like an occupying force these days, instead of the protect and serve written on the cars.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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"because im not going to let you goonies lie and feed off each others ignorance.". That's precious, Vern, just precious!

But, you're perfectly okay with your "conservative goonies" lying and feeding off their unabashed ignorance. I call it your practicing your "intellectual incest," as it's originated within your collective conservative psyches, gestated, then hatched upon the rest of the country in the form of negative and insulting talking points.

And, I'm not even going to delve deeply into the fact that you conserves seldom have anything of substance (actual plan or fleshed-out policy) to back-up your talking points. Your whole idea(s) stop with the talking points. I'm still waiting to see your side's plan to replace Obamacare or you plan to secure our Southern border. Or your plan to re-structure our tax codes. Like I said, there's NOTHING beyond your 'talking points.'

While you and your kind clearly demonstrate the inability to discern reality from fantasy, and are clearly credulous, those who suffer from our "ignorance," as you call it, don't suffer from the inability to think for ourselves, as your type of "ignorance" reflects. In fact, our innate ability to instinctively know truth from BS (especially the 'conservative strain' of BS), is one of our type of "ignorance's" more redeeming symptoms and endearing qualities.

Actually, vern, our "ignorance" lies in our NOT accepting your myopic and self-centered attitudes toward anyone and anything you perceive as a threat, irrespective of whether or not the threat is real or made-up simply to bolster your, usually, weak position on issues.

And because of our "ignorance," you feel it your duty to try and spread your lies, half-truths, innuendos, and childish insults within our ranks? Now, that's funny! Thanks for the laugh, vern! Do you have any more "whoppers" you'd like to tell?

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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I agree that cops act like an occupying force, but I'll disagree with your saying "... most cops... " These days are far more complex (greater access to illegal weapons and heavily armed organized criminals) and cops, usually, don't receive the training needed to confront disorderly crowds. Instead, they (the minority) think of themselves as Army Rangers, sent in to take down ISIS. (My brother was a sheriff's deputy (narcotics) and, later was a uniformed patrol officer. My info on this comes from him.)

Until the playing field gives the police an advantage, similar to the ones they used to have, I'm afraid we may see more "over-reaction" from our LEO's. As the old adage goes, "a few rotten apples can spoil the whole barrel."

Add to that, today's telecommunications abilities, and we'll be seeing and hearing about far more than we'd have seen and heard, just 50 years ago. All of this plays into our perceptions of our police, today. But, they know it and from what I've read, seen and heard, they are trying to better themselves in the eyes of the public. Their wearing "body cameras" is a huge and welcome step in turning around the negative perception of so many of the public. Plus, it'll force the "bad cops" to either behave or find work elsewhere, hopefully, in a totally different field. The excuse, "I forgot to turn it on," won't be accepted, either. To me, the only excuse I'd accept would be, "It was broken in the scuffle." Then, I'd want to see the video from the dash-cam to verify how the scuffle began.

I'd hate to see our country without our LEOs on the job. They do risk their lives and get a pittance for it. It takes a very special breed of person to be and remain a "good cop." They should know that we hold our LEOs to a higher standard than civilians. As with our military, my hat is off to them.

moldyoldy

I agree with most of what you say. Some of the problems I see are. Fear, because you never know who is armed, and lack of training, many of the incidents video taped, show a lack of arrest search and seizure law, no knowledge of when to use deadly force, and how to deescalate a situation.