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May 23, 2015 05:31:50   #
JW
 
straightUp wrote:
When an event is designed to insult religious fanatics and succeeds in provoking gun fire, it's hardly just a fucking cartoon contest.


You do realize that even religious fanatics are supposed to respect the rights of their fellow citizens, right.

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May 23, 2015 05:36:13   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
straightUp wrote:
So what places would you recommend for intolerant Christians?


I'll gladly donate the money for your bus ticket to the nearest sea port and a one way ticket for passage to Moscow, Red China, or to any Country of your choice to the Middle East!

I really do know you would "fit in" anywhere but the USA, obviously you fail to comprehend the USA is NOT your kind of Nation...it never was nor will it ever be. Moscow would be a great choice for you.

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May 23, 2015 06:01:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
America Only wrote:
Because you are not American, obviously you desire to see America be destroyed and that is just not welcome here in this USA.

Well, it just so happens that I AM American and I never gave any indication that I want to see my country destroyed. I can only assume the reason why you say stupid things like that is because you're h**e people like me and you aren't smart enough to say anything intelligent about it.

America Only wrote:

We know there should be some third world nation that your sick and pathetic lifestyle would be a well suited match for the likes of you. So find one and pack a bag and go. Let us know how well your BS flies there, O.K.?

If I was looking for a third world nation all I would have to do is wait for you morons to finish downgrading the United States then I wouldn't have to go anywhere.

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May 23, 2015 06:34:30   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
America Only wrote:
I'll gladly donate the money for your bus ticket to the nearest sea port and a one way ticket for passage to Moscow, Red China, or to any Country of your choice to the Middle East!

LOL... What are you going to pay with? Game tokens from Chuck-e-Cheeses?
America Only wrote:

I really do know you would "fit in" anywhere but the USA, obviously you fail to comprehend the USA is NOT your kind of Nation...it never was nor will it ever be. Moscow would be a great choice for you.

Why, is Moscow a c*******t country? LOL... Can you see Russia from your house? LOL...

Nah, I better stay... for your sake... I mean seriously, if all the hard working providers like me took off, there would be no one left to support the incompetent l***hes like you.

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May 23, 2015 06:57:58   #
L8erToots
 
Tyster wrote:
You may be correct in suggesting that removing someone for their opinion is Un-American, but you echoed the reactionary sentiment with one of your own. Equating one's desire to not tolerate anti-social behavior with that of recent history's most vile statesman is jumping on the extreme reaction yourself.

If someone comes to our shores, they are either a visitor or have met qualifications to remain in this country. However, if they are going to abuse our freedoms to the extent that they threaten another's life, liberty or their pursuit of happiness, then their "permission" to remain in this country should be placed in jeopardy.

For those that have developed these attitudes and were "home-grown" so to speak, there still have to be limitations where the "exercising of their rights" infringes on the exercise of others. I find the burning of a US f**g repugnant, and the display of the Christian cross in urine to be d********g, but I cannot deny your right to express those sentiments should you choose to do so. It has been long accepted that patriots and Christians must accept ridicule as part of our freedoms in this great country.

The sad thing is that we now identify certain groups and brand them untouchable... it is somehow abhorrent to draw a cartoon that may lampoon a religious icon of one sect, while mercilessly depicting the icons of another. We get in a tizzy when a Christian pizza maker indicates they wouldn't be comfortable catering a Gay wedding, but completely ignore at least 3 Muslim bakeries that flatly refused a like service.

Either all viewpoints and religions are afforded the same protections or none should be expected to be protected. If you don't support my right to express myself, how long will it be until you lose your rights? If these standards of behavior do not meet with acceptance, then maybe those who are intolerant should be encouraged to find a home more attune to their ideals.
You may be correct in suggesting that removing som... (show quote)

Well said! :thumbup:

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May 23, 2015 08:15:29   #
Tyster
 
straightUp wrote:
So what places would you recommend for intolerant Christians?


Anywhere else would suit me! Maybe there is somewhere we can send all who practice intolerance.

As to your other comments...many we are not that far apart about, but I did want to comment on your remark about Pam Geller's incendiary actions. Was she seeking to mock Mohammed the prophet... or the intolerance of his followers? Personally, my feeling is that it is the latter point she was attempting to make.

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May 23, 2015 11:38:40   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Tyster wrote:
Anywhere else would suit me! Maybe there is somewhere we can send all who practice intolerance.

As to your other comments...many we are not that far apart about, but I did want to comment on your remark about Pam Geller's incendiary actions. Was she seeking to mock Mohammed the prophet... or the intolerance of his followers? Personally, my feeling is that it is the latter point she was attempting to make.

I thought we already knew they were intolerant. I thought the incident with the Danish cartoonist established that quite clearly. Is there anyone that hasn't figured that one out yet? Anyone else willing to "test" them to see if they open fire on Americans?

I'm sorry Tyster, I just don't see how any angle on this story can justify her move. I stand by her right to do what she did on the basis of free speech but I that doesn't mean I don't think it was a really stupid and reckless move that put Americans in danger, which is a whole different thing.

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May 23, 2015 12:19:19   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Tyster wrote:
You may be correct in suggesting that removing someone for their opinion is Un-American, but you echoed the reactionary sentiment with one of your own. Equating one's desire to not tolerate anti-social behavior with that of recent history's most vile statesman is jumping on the extreme reaction yourself.

If someone comes to our shores, they are either a visitor or have met qualifications to remain in this country. However, if they are going to abuse our freedoms to the extent that they threaten another's life, liberty or their pursuit of happiness, then their "permission" to remain in this country should be placed in jeopardy.

For those that have developed these attitudes and were "home-grown" so to speak, there still have to be limitations where the "exercising of their rights" infringes on the exercise of others. I find the burning of a US f**g repugnant, and the display of the Christian cross in urine to be d********g, but I cannot deny your right to express those sentiments should you choose to do so. It has been long accepted that patriots and Christians must accept ridicule as part of our freedoms in this great country.

The sad thing is that we now identify certain groups and brand them untouchable... it is somehow abhorrent to draw a cartoon that may lampoon a religious icon of one sect, while mercilessly depicting the icons of another. We get in a tizzy when a Christian pizza maker indicates they wouldn't be comfortable catering a Gay wedding, but completely ignore at least 3 Muslim bakeries that flatly refused a like service.

Either all viewpoints and religions are afforded the same protections or none should be expected to be protected. If you don't support my right to express myself, how long will it be until you lose your rights? If these standards of behavior do not meet with acceptance, then maybe those who are intolerant should be encouraged to find a home more attune to their ideals.
You may be correct in suggesting that removing som... (show quote)


Tolerance of anything and everything leads to total confusion and anarchy which leads to apostasy which leads to destruction.

Democracy is not only freedom "to" it is the freedom "from". Every street has two sides, even if its one way.

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May 23, 2015 13:21:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
America Only wrote:
Once again, we know how much you wish the United States was totally doomed and to be made into your socialistic void of anything at all that resembles what the United States was founded for. Bad news for you, buckwheat. As much "smarmy" verbal stink you can spew out, makes no difference to the reality of what you are. I tend to think in most of the entire World's societies where freedoms do exist, those societies have courts and upon findings of those courts do still execute t*****rs. For some scum bag like you, I don't think your neck would be any different than anyone else that has been hung for high treason, do you?
Once again, we know how much you wish the United S... (show quote)

You wouldn't know the difference between a t*****r and the dick up your ass.

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May 23, 2015 13:25:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Tyster wrote:
Anywhere else would suit me! Maybe there is somewhere we can send all who practice intolerance.

At least you aren't making exceptions for Christians. I'll give you credit for that.

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May 23, 2015 13:36:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
They called Pam Geller "incendiary organizer". How is that a frenzied attack? If anyone is frenzied it's you i***ts getting all pissed off that anyone would dare call her incendiary. Of course she's incendiary. She organized a contest that was obviously designed to offend Muslims. How is that not incendiary?

Once again, your statement lies on a bed of lies and distortions.
Yeah, right. Like WE have to do something to set the Jihadis off. No doubt that if WE just kissed their sorry asses and bowed to their demands they would pack it in and go home.

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May 23, 2015 13:48:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
Why? Because you don't like my opinions?

And we aren't so fond of them either, they remind us of our own religious-right.
Islamic terrorists remind you of the "religious right". Oh, that is rich. F*cking brilliant. You win the Useful I***t award.

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May 23, 2015 15:26:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, right. Like WE have to do something to set the Jihadis off.

H**e wars aren't switched on and off like light switches, they are perpetuated by on going exchanges of insults and offenses.

Blade_Runner wrote:
No doubt that if WE just kissed their sorry asses and bowed to their demands they would pack it in and go home.

If you are referring to their political demands, then yes. I think we would see the attacks against Americans drop off, but the jihad in the middle-east would probably rage on. Two different things that you guys seem unable to distinguish.

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May 23, 2015 15:37:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
If you are referring to their political demands, then yes. I think we would see the attacks against Americans drop off, but the jihad in the middle-east would probably rage on. Two different things that you guys seem unable to distinguish.
Right, "Death to America!" is a Disney movie.

British journalist John Cantlie held hostage by Isil claims 'infinitely' greater threat of nuclear attack on US

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May 23, 2015 21:48:31   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Right, "Death to America!" is a Disney movie.

I know the phrase "Death to America" insults you to no end, but you have to get over your emotional reactions if you ever want to understand how complicated things work, right? I can recognize at least two separate mainstream objectives...

The religious objective really doesn't involve us - it involves them and the part of the world that they feel is home to Islam. The number of Christians slain by ISIS is minute compared to the number of Muslims slain by ISIS because it's not a war against Christians like the Islamophobes are making it out to be. It's a war to "clean their own house". Other than being particularly vicarious spectators, American Christians really aren't seen as playing an important role.

The political objective is the entire reason for the attacks on American targets. The political objective is to encourage western powers to cease their imperial control of the middle-east, which started right after WW1 under British and French mandates and shifted after WW2 to US and Israeli influence.

The two objectives are independent of each other but they have common touch points, such as the Islamic tradition that positions of political leadership should be reserved for those with faith in Islam. Most cultures have some kind of "native" clause. Think about how riled up conservatives got about Obama's birth credentials. Touch points like this create alliances at the strategic level. Of course if you follow the chain of command all the way down to the bottom, all aligned motives look like one single holy objective.

So if I am correct, American Islamophobes are actually trying to get involved in someone else's war. That's kind of sick.



interesting...

Of course "under-pressure" means we can't count on his words being the honest words of a true journalist, but that hardly matters... I think the threat is very real. This is one of the reasons why I wish more Americans would make the effort to expand beyond their current concerns, which often glosses over things like, the birth-rate deficit and the dirty bomb.

If my theories are true, all this Islamophobia is falling right into the plans of those political enemies to exploit those touch points with the religious war. If you zoom out a little... you might notice that the money usually comes from the political war and the numbers come from the religious war. This changes only as a result of ransom money, or any other kind of forceful extortion the children of poverty can muster in the religious war. High finance through the Caymans... that's the political war.

Ya know, Having an angle on this mess that you aren't familiar with doesn't nessesarily make me your enemy. I don't want some crazy religious nuts assaulting me and my family with nuclear weapons. I don't know much about you, but when people see me, they think "American" right away. They don't care what I actually think. It's not like they're going to interview me.

"Excuse me but uh, we only have... 2 minutes before this vest blows us to shreads, so... tell me about yourself."

Nah.

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