fiatlux

Maybe you should stop theorizing and living in theories and talk WITH people, not AT them. I do not know "replacement theory" so I have no idea how the bold print qualifies me as an adherent.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Let me see if I can explain. There is a Christian movement that says that those who believe in Jesus has a new covenant. That the commandments of old were replaced along with the Jew. According to this doctrine the Church rivals Israel by claiming that she is the "New Israel of the Spirit" superseding the "old Israel of the flesh". They, (those who adopted this theory) claim the Church found its legal expressions in the "Codex Justinian", which subsequently spawned the Inquisition, the Crusades, as well as multiple expulsions and pogroms. Whereas, today we see this theory manifest itself by calling for "even-handedness" in the Arab/Israel controversy. According to this theory all of G-d's promises to 'physical' Israel have been cancelled, as they have been transferred to 'spiritual' Israel - i.e. the Church. Thus they have tried to make this theory fit with literally hundreds, if not thousands, of prophecies and inspired statements in the Bible that refer to the ultimate "Restoration of Israel".

People who hold this belief insist that there are no real Jews left, they also say that Israel has no claim to Israel through inheritance or by promise. Those in Israel are nothing more than greedy bankers. It also fits into their other belief of a New World Order. Indeed there are a few of these people on OPP.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Boy you’re all over the map aren’t ‘ya?

First, why should I read something that someone admits that all it was a cut a paste and they have no idea what they’re talking about?

As for your “tiny piece of…refutation of the Rapture that scholars accept as sufficient,” and previous comment you made, “…verses used to support the Rapture actually contradict it. In a full Gospel understanding of those supporting verses, it is the Christians that will be left behind. I will show how if this is contested…,” I haven’t seen it.

I posted that I have been researching both the end times and the rapture for several years. To make a long story short, I believe that we are VERY close to the rapture and the end of the age. I also posted a commentary about the rapture refuting what you said above remarking that it just might provide you some much needed insight.

I ended my post by saying, “I look forward to your bible verses supporting the rapture actually show them contradicting it and how Christians will be left behind.

Nothing but chirps. Just like most questions I ask you.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Because YOU said it!

WhatIt'sWorth Loc: Methane Sea, Jupiter

Well, oddly enough, it is Pennylynn that nails it.

There is definitely a belief in Christianity that "the Church is THE NEW ISRAEL"

though the phrase 'the new Israel' is not in the New Testament

Paul once used the phrase "the Israel of God" - but never said there was "a new Israel".

I think Paul merely meant the Israelites who were being faithful to God at the present time.

But some Christians believe exactly that - that promises to Israel have morphed into promises for the Church - therefore, the Church has "replaced Israel".

The epistle to the Hebrews (author unknown) says He (God) "doeth away with the first to establish the second" - meaning eradicated one covenant to establish a new one - and on and on...

I used to throw rocks at "Replacement Theologists" all the time as I vehemently defended the PreTrib Rapture on other boards -- I referred to Replacement Theology thinking as "RT Tripe"

I could smell RT Tripe from miles away

and so, fiat, mwdegutis has "smelled RT Tripe coming off of you" and talked AT the RT Tripe that he discerned (IMO)

like most theologies, there are elements of truth in them all -- even in RT Tripe

fiatlux

Take the cotton out of your ears. Open your mind. You refuse to read something because it is cut and paste. How about the publisher of the Bible? He cut and pasted. Your reasoning is totally absurd. Christians will be left behind if you would open a door to reason in that absurd barricade of faith you have constructed. We are all works in progress and we all make sincere mistakes.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

"Christians will be left behind if you would open a door to reason in that absurd barricade of faith you have constructed."

You call this an argument? What do you provide that supports this argument? NOTHING! You have provided an EXTREMELY weak argument. In fact you haven't presented an argument at all.

Until you post something to me that makes some semblance of coherence I don't even want to talk or discuss things with you. It's a waste of my time.

fiatlux

Pennylynn, did I not say the opposite of the theory?

fiatlux

Okay, your loss, not mine.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You asked a question, that being what is Replacement Theory. I was providing you with a response to that question only. No comment on your beliefs or on anyone's belief. Just a response to one single question. Am I to understand that you were aware of what the theory is and was not looking for a explanation? If so, my apologies.

fiatlux

Answer each of these point and then we can talk.

If you choose not to reply from some bluster or any reason whatsoever, by default you disprove your point. This is the opportunity to refute the nay-sayers once and for all and show people the truth, as you understand it. Looking forward to your next avoidance strategy.

fiatlux

No, I was looking for someone alert enough to see his claim of my supposed agreement with "replacement theory" was clearly and unequivocally the exact opposite of my post. I thought that would be plain to someone who is Jewish and appreciated my comments.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

If you'll back in the posts. everything has been addressed. However, you have answered NOTHING.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Actually, on page one you wrote: Have no idea what "replacement theology" is. Just respond to what I said, please. " Based on this, I provided you a response. Perhaps if you did not write in riddles, you would get better and clearer responses and save some of us the trouble of providing explanations you do not want. That is just my opinion. And had you wanted someone "alert enough to see his claim" why not just ask that question? Just asking. Communication is only possible when the communicator is clear and does not try to be clever but rather clearly state their position or ask a question.

MysticSuzie

If you care not to follow arguments that seriously challenge and I feel defeat your impoverished and highly questionable stance to begin with because they are "cut and paste" as Fiat presented, how can you accept any Bible, which is essentially cut and paste? Answer the challenges she presented in the cut and paste or admit you need some time to re-think.