Tasine wrote:
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I once thought as you do. I learned some things and now respectfully disagree with you. Additionally I think it is disingenuous of you to use hyperbole in misstating what US Patriot wrote, such as "If you think I am going to just go out and shoot my neighbor because I don't like, or disagree with his/her opinion of the way our country is being run at any given time. Then you have missed the point of our Constitution altogether."
I must have missed him saying that. I don't believe any decent person wants to do that.
It is true the Constitution has built in safety factors, but every one of them demands honesty, decency, and knowledge in both our politicians and the v**ers. No politician is doing what he should be doing, the SCOTUS is not doing what it is required to do, the media is not doing what it is charged with doing, and the non-informed v**ers are electing rotten humans into office. Our b****t box is terminally corrupted and is totally unreliable. Since all of the Constitution's built-in protections are failing BIG TIME, and since our forefathers KNEW it would happen once people learned how to game the system, and advised that from time to time, blood would have to be spilled, how can you sit there and lecture US Patriot for wanting to straighten out the mess, NOT THE MISTAKES, of a rotten leader and Congress?
You say, " And it is pushing up very close to the limits of our Constitution. It's going to work or it will fail. " It is not pushing up very close to the limits of our Constitution - it is destroying our Constitution and doing so deliberately. If you cannot see the destruction that is occurring, it is merely because you don't want to, you support this misuse of the Presidency because you want the man to succeed. He IS succeeding - it's just that his success sets this nation back decades and decades, we are rapidly losing all of our God given rights because Obama's total and complete agenda is all about control of the masses.
I do not understand people like you at all - and don't want to........you do not do logic, yet have the gall to denigrate those who see what is being done to this nation all for the sake of you and your kind (socialists) wanting to make Obama look like something he definitely ISN'T - a leader.
If I have misrepresented you in any way, I apologize ahead of time. I am definitely angry and could have accused you of something you may wish to straighten out. But pie in the sky won't do it.
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Tasine
I am very surprised at you. For just like US Patriot, you have missed my points altogether. So let me take this time to answer your main point. And perhaps I can enlighten you along the way.
Your use of the term ( hyperbole ) is quite wrong concerning what the patriot has said, in conjunction with my interpretation of it.
What the patriot has said, and let me quote him here in this, ( Am I advocating
Civil war! If thats what it will take to save America! YES! ). Again, ( Now is the time for action). Also, ( The time for these discussion sights has long gone ).
He has also said something very enlightening in his post. Again I will quote him. ( just one very pissed-off
Patriotic American ).
Frankly, this should have been your clue as to what in fact he is saying. As well as the reason behind it.
Now you, along with the Patriot, can spin this any way you so choose. What I have said, still remains very much true.
Advocating civil war is not stupid or wrong. It has gone way beyond that.
Understand this!
Civil; war entails guns, big guns, and a lot of them. The general population does not have big guns. Now I am quite aware that most folks have what is considered to be small arms. And they should. But I have yet to see a small arm weapon, win, when put up against a tank.
Now the last I checked, The general population does not have them.
[ Oh Oh wait Mr. John q public,
Ill just go into my garage and bring one right out to you ] A-ha right.
I hope you are starting to get the picture.
For not only does civil war entail guns, it also advocates the use of deadly force.
K*****g of another human sole. And in this case, it will be in fact, your neighbor, or you. All government employees are our neighbors. A great many of them are, our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, ants , uncles, cosines, nieces or nephews, and so on. They may not agree with you, and there outlook is not the same as yours or mine. US Patriot is saying I should go out there and shoot them, because I dont like the way they handle our government. No, No, No,
I will not do that just because he wants to. Stating that in so many words, all else has failed, and there is no other way.
Bull S**t I say, thats madness. This country has not even begun to fight and already you two want to through in the towel.
Now let me put this right up on the table You have said, and again I quote, you.
( I dont believe any decent person wants to do that). Meaning I assume, you do not agree with the use of weapons.
News flash for you . Thats exactly what civil war is all about. Whose got the bigger stick . And who can beat each other over the head with it, the most.
You can have civil un-rest, civil disobedience, civil discourse, civil disturbance. But civil war is another matter.
You have said you ( respectfully disagree with me). Fine, if that is your choice, I will not fault you for that.
But for you to say that I am disingenuous, have no logic, and the gall to denigrate a person, along with accusing me of being a socialist is nothing more than a slap in my face.
Any one that is at all familiar with me, knows better. All any one needs do, is look at my posts on this sight, and if by this time you do not know where I stand, than you havent been paying attention.
You can disagree with all you want, call me wh**ever it is you have a mind to. And you may never agree with me. But that my dear friend does not in any way tell me, I should pick up a gun and shoot you.
Were on the same side Tasine. You have just failed to recognize it. RETW