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Sep 19, 2023 14:50:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
I’m a traditional American possessing traditional morals, values, faith and love of family and country, and I won’t compromise those, but will listen to others.

Your view that the left are avowed enemies of everything is your view.
When did this partisan divide moving to gridlock in government, distrust of government, media, each other if in different affiliations, when did individuals avoid talking politics in public, when did families no longer have associations with other family members. When did name calling and constant lying become the norm?

Trump did not create this but he clearly expanded and exasperated the h**e and discord in the USA, for the past ~8 years( his running for President until today)Conspiracy theories are rule of day, you repeat it enough it becomes real. Partisan media and unfiltered internet are adding to discontent.

Trump is anti democracy gas to fire trying to destroy USA. Conservative Democrats and Republicans need step recognize this and step up to right the USA democratic republic.

I DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEW THAT THE LEFT ARE AVOWED ENEMIES OF EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR.

Note: I was an independent for years until I realized the power of party platforms and how little influence independents in Congress had unless they were a swing v**er. I lean to conservative democratic side at this time, and clearly I don’t feel that me and other ~80m active Democratic v**ers are avowed enemies of everything , and I don’t feel the ~70m conservative republican v**ers are avowed enemies of everything.

Most of us are all still individuals with the characteristics discussed above. We need to continue civil discussions on the issues vs adding our own gas to the fires of partisanship. The most harmful wall built in the past eight years is the partisan walls between Republicans and Democrats, cross the wall and you are the enemy. That’s one wall that needs to be torn down.

Name calling and h**eful rhetoric will not get us there.

Civil discussions of our differences listening to and accepting facts, holding professional organizations ( police, lawyers, judges, doctors, accountants, congressmen, etc) to aggressively police their own and have consequences for unethical, immoral behaviors.
Continue value add discussion of issues between individuals and not stop just because one has a different affiliation or that the other side are all radicals and all totally wrong. Everything is not political.

Thanks for your response got, me thinking. Cheers!
I’m a traditional American possessing traditional ... (show quote)


You may disagree all you want that Democrats are not an enemy more dangerous than every enemy COMBINED that America has ever fought but you'd be wrong. Cultural Marxism, AKA Democrats, are a cancer that is destroying us internally and if you and I were to compared our morals, values, faith, family, love of country etc., there'd be significant differences and not at all traditional. The neo-Marxist Progressives Party (Democrats) are a magnetic force attracting atheist, nihilist, moral relativist, every type of sexual pervert, those who destroyed the sanctity of human life choosing first the most innocent and defenseless of all human life, destroyed traditional marriage, the nuclear family and what the Left is doing to our progeny merits violence. I've barely cracked open Pandora's Box exposing the evil you suggest we ought to parley over. You do not "know thyself."

Americans are irreparably divided; we have irreconcilable differences and it is good that this must be. We are one e******n away from the merest hope of ever saving the Republic.

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Sep 19, 2023 15:19:36   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
You may disagree all you want that Democrats are not an enemy more dangerous than every enemy COMBINED that America has ever fought but you'd be wrong. Cultural Marxism, AKA Democrats, are a cancer that is destroying us internally and if you and I were to compared our morals, values, faith, family, love of country etc., there'd be significant differences and not at all traditional. The neo-Marxist Progressives Party (Democrats) are a magnetic force attracting atheist, nihilist, moral relativist, every type of sexual pervert, those who destroyed the sanctity of human life choosing first the most innocent and defenseless of all human life, destroyed traditional marriage, the nuclear family and what the Left is doing to our progeny merits violence. I've barely cracked open Pandora's Box exposing the evil you suggest we ought to parley over. You do not "know thyself."

Americans are irreparably divided; we have irreconcilable differences and it is good that this must be. We are one e******n away from the merest hope of ever saving the Republic.
You may disagree all you want that Democrats are n... (show quote)


Here’s a small summary of cultural Marxism:
"Cultural Marxism," described as a conspiratorial attempt to wreck American culture and morality, is the newest intellectual bugaboo on the radical right.
Radical right is using this pure conspiracy theory as follow up to political correctness of the 60’s.

Key words in five articles I read is it’s a radical right “Conspiracy Theory” of lefts “plan” to as you say bring down democracy. Has anti Semitic and pro w***e s*******y base.
Pademike it’s clear you’ve been reading and buying into some radical conspiracy theories.
I’ll try to read some more to see if I find any facts supporting this theory. Or examples where the left is actually doing the things conspiracy theory claims it’s doing. Haven’t found anything yet to support the theory.

You seem sold on it, maybe you have some references I can look at.

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Sep 19, 2023 15:27:37   #
Drue-Marie
 
proud republican wrote:
You should post your civility request to Airforceone who insults Trump supporters every time he posts..I agree with civility, but with EVERYBODY...🙄


You don't refer to us lefties with civility. You also seem to think that turn-about is fair play.

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Sep 19, 2023 15:54:03   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Here’s a small summary of cultural Marxism:
"Cultural Marxism," described as a conspiratorial attempt to wreck American culture and morality, is the newest intellectual bugaboo on the radical right.
Radical right is using this pure conspiracy theory as follow up to political correctness of the 60’s.

Key words in five articles I read is it’s a radical right “Conspiracy Theory” of lefts “plan” to as you say bring down democracy. Has anti Semitic and pro w***e s*******y base.
Pademike it’s clear you’ve been reading and buying into some radical conspiracy theories.
I’ll try to read some more to see if I find any facts supporting this theory. Or examples where the left is actually doing the things conspiracy theory claims it’s doing. Haven’t found anything yet to support the theory.

You seem sold on it, maybe you have some references I can look at.
Here’s a small summary of cultural Marxism: br &qu... (show quote)


Mark Levine's new book was released today. "The Democratic Party H**es America." Everything you need to consider will be found within it's contents. It's a start. My own copy was delivered about 1 hour ago from Amazon.

I'm 83 years old. I have another source of reference, attentative observations. Your America today would have been violently rejected by the people of my youth and who influence millions of true patriots.

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Sep 19, 2023 15:55:43   #
Drue-Marie
 
padremike wrote:
Mark Levine's new book was released today. "The Democratic Party H**es America." Everything you need to consider will be found within it's contents. It's a start. My own copy was delivered about 1 hour ago from Amazon.

I'm 83 years old. I have another source of reference, attentative observations. Your America today would have been violently rejected by the people of my youth and who influence millions of true patriots.


You are such a sad little man.

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Sep 19, 2023 16:26:03   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Drue-Marie wrote:
You don't refer to us lefties with civility. You also seem to think that turn-about is fair play.


What's good for the goose, you know the rest....🙄

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Sep 19, 2023 16:30:15   #
Drue-Marie
 
proud republican wrote:
What's good for the goose, you know the rest....🙄


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind

Gandhi

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Sep 19, 2023 16:40:28   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Drue-Marie wrote:
You are such a sad little man.


"Please daddy pay attention to me." OK, little girl I'll give you 30 seconds.

I'm actually a very happy and content Olde Phart. I've got a loving wife of 61 years, wonderful middle aged children who were a delight to raise and never gave us trouble, grown & successful grandchildren, and a Golden Retriever named Sam who runs our home. In T***h, I'm sad for you because the strong faith and uncompromising morals and values I possess, those intangibles which provided our family a responsible direction and provided individual worth, you find distasteful and therefore they make you sad so you need to attack me to make you feel better. That's OK. I encourage you to attack me whenever you're frustration and anxiety explodes and you need to download. I like to fight and do moral battle with folks like yourself and as things go, you're pretty mild. Always obnoxious, generally mild. You cannot imagine the visceral h**e uncompromising clergy receive.

Times up. Why don't you go fishing? It's good for the soul and rumored that all the time one spends fishing reduces time spent in hell. I've already accumulated comp time.

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Sep 19, 2023 17:44:56   #
Drue-Marie
 
padremike wrote:
"Please daddy pay attention to me." OK, little girl I'll give you 30 seconds.

I'm actually a very happy and content Olde Phart. I've got a loving wife of 61 years, wonderful middle aged children who were a delight to raise and never gave us trouble, grown & successful grandchildren, and a Golden Retriever named Sam who runs our home. In T***h, I'm sad for you because the strong faith and uncompromising morals and values I possess, those intangibles which provided our family a responsible direction and provided individual worth, you find distasteful and therefore they make you sad so you need to attack me to make you feel better. That's OK. I encourage you to attack me whenever you're frustration and anxiety explodes and you need to download. I like to fight and do moral battle with folks like yourself and as things go, you're pretty mild. Always obnoxious, generally mild. You cannot imagine the visceral h**e uncompromising clergy receive.

Times up. Why don't you go fishing? It's good for the soul and rumored that all the time one spends fishing reduces time spent in hell. I've already accumulated comp time.
"Please daddy pay attention to me." OK,... (show quote)


Don't flatter yourself. I have a father. He's been dead for 18 years, but he is my father. You could dev**e your entire life to being his equal, but you will never achieve what he did in his life. I used to fish with him. Now I do more of the things my mother did, such as knit and sew, and some cross-stitching. She died in January of this year.

I'm also a social justice warrior as my job. You would detest the people I serve. That said, some of my clients are much better people than you will ever be.



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Sep 19, 2023 17:55:36   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
Mark Levine's new book was released today. "The Democratic Party H**es America." Everything you need to consider will be found within it's contents. It's a start. My own copy was delivered about 1 hour ago from Amazon.

I'm 83 years old. I have another source of reference, attentative observations. Your America today would have been violently rejected by the people of my youth and who influence millions of true patriots.

Here is Wikipedia’s summary of Mark Levine:
He has been described as "right-wing" by The New York Times, CNN, NPR, and Politico.[3][4][5][6] He is known for his strident criticisms of Democrats and encouragement of primary challenges to congressional Republicans that he considers to be "Republican In Name Only" (RINO). He endorsed Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican Party p**********l primaries and declared himself "Never Trump", but reluctantly endorsed Donald Trump after he won the Republican nomination.[7] Since the start of the Trump presidency, Levin's commentary has become strongly pro-Trump.[8]
Clearly a partisan source. Should be a good read but clearly leaning right .

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Sep 19, 2023 18:25:06   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Drue-Marie wrote:
Don't flatter yourself. I have a father. He's been dead for 18 years, but he is my father. You could dev**e your entire life to being his equal, but you will never achieve what he did in his life. I used to fish with him. Now I do more of the things my mother did, such as knit and sew, and some cross-stitching. She died in January of this year.

I'm also a social justice warrior as my job. You would detest the people I serve. That said, some of my clients are much better people than you will ever be.
Don't flatter yourself. I have a father. He's be... (show quote)


Holy moly you poor thang, I must have unintentionally struck a nerve. Please accept my apology. Curious as to why such a staunch social justice warrior, the highest calling man can now ever achieve according to L*****t ideology, is so thin skinned? Perhaps it's all those fierce battles you've been fighting? It's a shame you never got to experience a real shooting war with us back in the 60's. It might have given you a more harmonious perspective. Keep the faith.

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Sep 19, 2023 19:52:27   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Here is Wikipedia’s summary of Mark Levine:
He has been described as "right-wing" by The New York Times, CNN, NPR, and Politico.[3][4][5][6] He is known for his strident criticisms of Democrats and encouragement of primary challenges to congressional Republicans that he considers to be "Republican In Name Only" (RINO). He endorsed Ted Cruz in the 2016 Republican Party p**********l primaries and declared himself "Never Trump", but reluctantly endorsed Donald Trump after he won the Republican nomination.[7] Since the start of the Trump presidency, Levin's commentary has become strongly pro-Trump.[8]
Clearly a partisan source. Should be a good read but clearly leaning right .
Here is Wikipedia’s summary of Mark Levine: br He ... (show quote)


And, of course, you used a predominantly left leaning source to critique Levine. That's OK, yet, there is a generous reality in true & sincere partisanship; it's real and it's absolutely necessary. Partisanship helps to separate objective T***h from subjective speculation even for the casual attentative observer.

My traditional yardstick says "that which is right will always be right no matter who says it is wrong and that which is wrong will always be wrong no matter who says it is right." The Left's tendency is to be more subjective and therefore, ascribes to the philosophy contained in their Manual of Arms called "50 Shades of Gray" which comport to their own attraction to moral relativism thereby making moral compromises almost negligible & virtually unnecessary.

For the most part, to me personally, the political differences pale in comparison to the Spiritual War being waged which I understand to be our greatest peril. A stated goal of Marxism is to destroy traditional Christian/ Godly morality and it's designed to attack and destroy a nation's foundation. L*****t clamber over their favorite mantra, "Separation of Church & State" yet historically we always enjoyed a workable balance between Church & State until the Left began forcing their consciously immoral agenda into politics. Remember Dostoevsky comment, "If there is no God, everything is permitted"& John Adam's admonition that our Constitution only works for a moral and religious people? These comments are glaring condemnations of America today. We are a nation in desperate peril and decline attributable solely to the efforts and tremendous success of the Democrat Marxist Left.

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Sep 19, 2023 21:06:09   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
And, of course, you used a predominantly left leaning source to critique Levine. That's OK, yet, there is a generous reality in true & sincere partisanship; it's real and it's absolutely necessary. Partisanship helps to separate objective T***h from subjective speculation even for the casual attentative observer.

My traditional yardstick says "that which is right will always be right no matter who says it is wrong and that which is wrong will always be wrong no matter who says it is right." The Left's tendency is to be more subjective and therefore, ascribes to the philosophy contained in their Manual of Arms called "50 Shades of Gray" which comport to their own attraction to moral relativism thereby making moral compromises almost negligible & virtually unnecessary.

For the most part, to me personally, the political differences pale in comparison to the Spiritual War being waged which I understand to be our greatest peril. A stated goal of Marxism is to destroy traditional Christian/ Godly morality and it's designed to attack and destroy a nation's foundation. L*****t clamber over their favorite mantra, "Separation of Church & State" yet historically we always enjoyed a workable balance between Church & State until the Left began forcing their consciously immoral agenda into politics. Remember Dostoevsky comment, "If there is no God, everything is permitted"& John Adam's admonition that our Constitution only works for a moral and religious people? These comments are glaring condemnations of America today. We are a nation in desperate peril and decline attributable solely to the efforts and tremendous success of the Democrat Marxist Left.
And, of course, you used a predominantly left lean... (show quote)


Wikipedia referenced four sources(NYT, CNN, NPR, & Politico) all describing Levine as “Right Wing”. I expect that right leaning sources and even you would say Levine is “right wing”. So your point on source is mute.

Regarding religion in USA I agree it’s on the decline. I found a NYT’s article that supports religion in USA is clearly on the decline. All my children and eligible grandkids have all been confirmed in the church.
So you are right, but your rationale that it’s due to Democratic Marxist left is cause is your unsupported opinion.
Here is the excerpt from the article I found of religious participation decline.

American church bells aren’t ringing so much as they are tolling, a new survey has found.
For the first time in 80 years, Gallup has found that less than half of US adults belong to a church, synagogue or mosque.
“Americans’ membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup’s eight-decade trend,” Gallup reported in a Monday post. “US church membership was 73% when Gallup first measured it in 1937 and remained near 70% for the next six decades, before beginning a steady decline around the turn of the 21st century.”
Membership numbers dropped to 50% by 2018, and last year slipped to 47%.
The decline in membership is due to not only a decline in religious Americans belonging to a church, but also an increase in Americans who do not follow a religion at all, according to Gallup.
Article has updates to current year and church participation is continuing to decline.
Thanks for the comments, got me thinking, looking. What source do you have that would tie this degradation in church participation to Marxist Left Democrats.
My thoughts are lack of solid family units, lack of strong parents encouraging children to attend and get confirmed and lack of overall attendance are key contributors. Not sure kids see a value in church.

Those are my thoughts.

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Sep 19, 2023 21:22:41   #
Rose42
 
Haski123 wrote:
I’ve read your biased unsupported opinions and unsupported reply’s you post in reply to more liberal views on this forum . I could take your words above and change two words” bunch of “GOP” underpowered… and “progressive” to conservative and it would be easy to say the same BS as you and be as valid as your opinion. No facts just unsupported, biased opinions from apparently biased sources.

This forum should be to discuss opinions supported by facts from all points of view. We are individuals ( not Republicans:Democrats) we all owe respect of and to each other to civilly discuss our views, understanding better each others views and supporting thoughts vs putting everyone in a box and name calling or degrading others just because of their affiliations.
That said there are a lot of solid citizens working to understand others views, voice theirs and civilly discuss differences and supporting facts. Another group that puts people issues in “political “ buckets only their view is right, won’t listen to others that differ in view regardless of facts, name call and degrade others of alternate view not trying to understand differences and where we might agree. I’m not always right my opinions are supported by inputs I get on this forum, various news channels (includes Newsmax, Fox, OAN, MSNBC, CNN, NBC & BBC.) Formulate my views and opinions. On occasion I write to my congressman actions I feel need to be taken. (Inflation, immigration,pro choice with pro life base, e******y for all are a few I’ve addressed)
So of the two groups I try to by a part of individuals trying to understand others with respect for all by exchanging thoughts civilly.
Cheers!
I’ve read your biased unsupported opinions and uns... (show quote)


When people post topics like this they are trolling and get replies in kind. Some on the right do it as well. Too many do it. They’re not meant to elicit discussion.

I find it juvenile and unnecessary

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Sep 19, 2023 22:12:16   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Wikipedia referenced four sources(NYT, CNN, NPR, & Politico) all describing Levine as “Right Wing”. I expect that right leaning sources and even you would say Levine is “right wing”. So your point on source is mute.

Regarding religion in USA I agree it’s on the decline. I found a NYT’s article that supports religion in USA is clearly on the decline. All my children and eligible grandkids have all been confirmed in the church.
So you are right, but your rationale that it’s due to Democratic Marxist left is cause is your unsupported opinion.
Here is the excerpt from the article I found of religious participation decline.

American church bells aren’t ringing so much as they are tolling, a new survey has found.
For the first time in 80 years, Gallup has found that less than half of US adults belong to a church, synagogue or mosque.
“Americans’ membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup’s eight-decade trend,” Gallup reported in a Monday post. “US church membership was 73% when Gallup first measured it in 1937 and remained near 70% for the next six decades, before beginning a steady decline around the turn of the 21st century.”
Membership numbers dropped to 50% by 2018, and last year slipped to 47%.
The decline in membership is due to not only a decline in religious Americans belonging to a church, but also an increase in Americans who do not follow a religion at all, according to Gallup.
Article has updates to current year and church participation is continuing to decline.
Thanks for the comments, got me thinking, looking. What source do you have that would tie this degradation in church participation to Marxist Left Democrats.
My thoughts are lack of solid family units, lack of strong parents encouraging children to attend and get confirmed and lack of overall attendance are key contributors. Not sure kids see a value in church.

Those are my thoughts.
Wikipedia referenced four sources(NYT, CNN, NPR, &... (show quote)


Mark Levine is a Conservative which is abbreviated as leaning Right. He's not an extremist but very much a proponent of the Rule of Law and the Constitution. Those on the Left are generally understood as an abbreviation for a neo-Marxist Progressive Democrat. 🤭 Few L*****t can recognize or admit they support Marxism and that's because they've always presumed, albeit incorrectly, that they are sincere & genuine America loving patriots. They've presumed wrong because they've set out to fundamentally change us. Change us into what? God forbid it's not into a democracy. L*****ts simply cannot recognize their leaders are intentionally destroying America. Too many of you are lazy and allow the DNC State Controlled Media to do your thinking for you.

You've acknowledged that Christianity is waning in America but you didn't attempt to explain why. One reason is that the Marxist Left relaxed the understanding and condemnation of sin. Sin is more attractive and fun than Christian moral discipline. The majority of mainline denominations today do not condemn L***Q behavior and many even advocate a******n. Who the bloody hell wants Christ telling them "thou shalt not" when sin is enjoyable so if they go to to church at all, they attend a progressive democratic church where the real power is found in the consensus of the congregation who then benevolently offer up their demands for the Almighty to accede.

The C*******t Goals below were collected by FBI agents who had infiltrated C*******t cells, gathered together by a former FBI agent and documented in his book, "The Naked C*******t" in 1958. You'll find them challenging.

https://www.marxists.org/subject/art/literature/children/ref/gov/gov1.html

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