Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Mr Ron,

Maybe I'm just more cynical than you, but I stand by my claim.

Having said that, I agree with most of what you wrote about the mind behind the weapon. It's also true that not ALL politicians are evil (99% give the rest a bad name) and that politicians always feel the need to "do something" after a tragedy. Unfortunately, the only "something" politicians do is write/pass new laws. Since criminals, by definition, disobey laws this is always an ineffective strategy.

I also agree that changing the 'bad guy' mindset is important, but I see the opposite actually happening. Progressive liberals have taken over the public education system, the public and most private universities, the judicial system and the media. They all push the progressive liberal agenda which says, basically, "If somebody else has more than you that means they've effectively stolen it from you and you have the right to steal it back, and the government is here to help."

Here's an example of what I'm talking about, this video is both scary and absolutely d********g. It is required viewing in most public elementary schools: http://www.storyofstuff.org/movies-all/story-of-stuff/

Finally, you do need to control a population of law-abiding citizens if you plan to re-distribute their wealth and property.

oilfieldDave Loc: From AK live in WA

Here is a quote from your article :

"The state’s law allows people to have firearms in their homes, places of business, and vehicles, but to carry a concealed firearm in public places, residents of the state must apply with their local sheriff for a permit; the law allows “each sheriff to implement and administer.”"

So, it does allow for one to have a gun for protection, just not for one to carry it concealed without a permit.

That alone should horrify you Richard. The judges admit we all have the right to have guns, and even carry and conceal, as long as we have a permit. The far reaching implications that this article claims also must include the parts about guns being legal, and even legal to carry concealed if one has a permit. That is where your liberal site messed up with posting this. It really does nothing for gun control, and for those of use that believe in gun rights, it validates everything.

Thanks for the link!!

RonMM

You are scary – Charlie brown….
I went to the web site you gave.
I am almost speechless – not because I don’t have anything to say but because there is so much to say.
I don’t know what to do, we as humans can’t survive on this planet without our ‘STUFF’ we need cloths, and tools and shelter to survive. The trouble is, unlike the animals we can’t be happy just surviving we must even more importantly thrive. And I guess that leads to greed, some can’t be happy with thriving they must have more – ever more, disregarding their fellow humans and - well you can see where I’m going with this.
The only solution is that there be no humans on this planet. Speaking of which, were at on this planet can a person man or woman, get into their birthday suit(naked), empty handed, and like the animals – live – 24/7, 365days a year, any weather – and survive, let alone thrive?
If you’re a religious person (I am) pray that God gets here soon (I do).
I think that the first thing that we as a species should do is restrict (preferably willingly) our breeding(reproduction) – can’t point fingers here cause I’ve fathered 5, but I can talk in retrospect – our population is growing too fast and going too far in its consumption of natural resources. You can bet your life that that will not happen and no one can be blamed for wanting a family. But that is a good first place to start. We already live elbow to elbow in some places and it’s not getting any better, I’m surprised that there aren’t more deaths due to violence because of crowding.
P.S. in response to your last comment “Finally, you do need to control a population of law-abiding citizens if you plan to re-distribute their wealth and property.”
I think that you are talking about the rich and powerful including Politicians, I on the other hand am talking about the everyday guy in the street. The person who is a ‘live and let live’ person, one who keeps their nose on their face and out of other peoples’ business.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Ron,

The point of me providing that link was to show how far the radical left has infiltrated our public school system, and the propaganda they are teaching our children. Rest assured it is pure propaganda. They use half-t***hs and outright lies, please don't be delusioned that anything about the content of the video is true.

Your no-humans solution is what many in the environment (green) movement actually advocate, presumably with the exception of themselves. They consider humans to be a plague upon the planet. Here's another little-known fact: The green movement is responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and every other mass-murdering dictator, combined! Don't take my word for it, look up deaths from the ban on DDT yourself. That's just the tip of the iceburg.

I used to believe that overpopulation was the root cause of most of the world's problems, and in some ways it is. For instance, without chemical pesticides and fertilizers and GM technology we could not produce enough food to feed everybody. However, it is not as bad as I used to think. Several years ago a co-worker (a Mormon with a very large family) told me that the entire population of the world could fit in the state of Texas. Of course I didn't believe him, so I did the research and math and, lo and behold, he was right. This was probably about 10 years ago, but at that time the entire world population could have fit in Texas with a population density of about 6 families/acre! Don't take my word for it, do the math yourself.

You may also want to check out Agenda 21.

Of course I was talking about the politicians and powerful when I spoke about controlling the population. The average guy in the street has no desire or means to do so. Personally I'm a libertarian, live and let live is our creed.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

I'm just going to reply to the asserted by this obviously "scientific" opinio...study.

1: They're coming for your guns.
Proposed Guntersville ordinance sparks controversy
If they are trying to do this at a local level, then they are trying to do this at the national level.
Verdict: fail

2: Guns don't k**l people—people k**l people.
Everything about there answer has nothing to do with the statement. All the statistics in the world are going to disprove this statement. No gun has k**led a single person of its own volition. Only guns used inappropriately or deliberately have k**led people. So the problem here is people, not guns.
Verdict fail

3: An armed society is a polite society.
hmmm...never heard that one.

4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
never heard that one either...are you sure these aren't being made up?

5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
7: Guns make women safer.
These are all really related. The gun doesn't make you safer. It is training in the proper use and handling of the gun that makes you safer. That said, you are only "safe" while the gun is in your possession, and "safe " is a relative term. A gun is an equalizer. It can be as lethal in the hands of a weakling as a strong man. At worst, if you are facing a person with a gun, you are on equal footing (assuming sk**l not a factor). So, the gun doesn't make you safer. You make you safer.
Verdict true, but the statistics presented are not represented adequately. They can be misleading.

8: "Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.
I have to laugh at this. Video games have no more impact on violence than guns. At worst, guns make the outcome more catastrophic, put violent people commit violence with or without guns.
Verdict fail

9: More and more Americans are becoming gun owners.
This is a case of figures don't lie, but liars can figure. Percentages used in absolute terms like this are at best misleading. You have to explore what the numbers really mean. The population of the US was 203,392,031 people in 1970. As of 2010 we have 308,745,538 people. So, using the percentages posted in the "Myths shoot down", that would mean that about 101,696,015 (50%) had guns in 1970, and 138,935,492 (45%) had guns in 2010.So, while relative percentages are down, more Americans actually do have guns. You can't just look at percentages, you have to look at what they represent in relation to each other.
Verdict fail

10: We don't need more gun laws—we just need to enforce the ones we have.
So, because we wrote a bad gun law, we need to write an even worse one? Guns are stolen like any other valuable merchandise. That is also how criminals get a hold of them. There is no perfect system, and legislating guns away isn't any better. In all likelihood, it's worse. So, shall we get off the ban guns bandwagon now?
Verdict fail

RonMM

Mr. memBrain
I just went through your review of “Proposed Guntersville ordinance sparks controversy”
I don’t disagree with most of what you’ve said, though I’d like to comment on your response to #8"Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.
My wife is a former corrections officer at a state prison, and they use some ‘catch phrases’. One of which is “Approach determines response” but I keep telling her that that phrase should actually be “Approach influences response.” And in the case of Video games which should include some movies and the News. A weak and troubled mind can be influenced by these things, I don’t advocate they be eliminated because that won’t work just like getting the guns won’t work. And as I keep saying “It’s not the weapon that you need to worry about – it’s the mind behind the weapon” There are many people in this world dying at the hands of a mentally deranged person or a bad guy. Which is why I say that we should be putting the money we would spend on ‘getting the guns’ into finding and preventing/fixing the things that make a bad guy or a mentally deranged person. And I have no problem believing that many if not more people dying at the hand of a bad guy are dying from other types of weapons. If a bad guy can’t get a gun he’ll use something else. Guns are not allowed in prisons but inmates are still dying from weapons (most are made onsite right there in their cell). For those who think that dying from a gunshot is horrific should consider what death by knife or hammer or screwdriver or poison could be like since death is usually pretty quick by gun, much slower and much more frightening when a knife or other method is used. Which is just like you said “violent people commit violence with or without guns.” Yes lets get off the ban guns bandwagon.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

So, essentially what you are saying is that you agree with me. All I have ever said is that it's the person that's the problem, not the thing (video games, guns, wh**ever...)

RonMM

NOPE - dangerous minds are many times made by the environment they live in - video games, movies, and the news may provide an influence factor when their mind has reached some (overload?) point in their life.

memBrain Loc: North Carolina (No longer in hiding.)

Then we will have to respectfully disagree...at least in part. I agree that environmental factors do have a role. However, I believe that video games and guns are often used as a convenient target. The problem start from within the home. How a person is raised plays a much greater factor in determining behavior. Whether or not the parent (particularly the mother) used drugs (before or during pregnancy) is a big factor. The video game doesn't create the mindset. That must be a preexisting factor. The key point of note here is that the person in question already has a break with reality. Otherwise there would be far more people committing crimes as the result of video games.

RonMM

We do agree – except that I say that in the mind of a person (child) looking for a solution or way out of some long term - torturous mental or physical nightmare – the (if there is one) neighborhood gang or the nightly news, a violent movie, a violent video game - over a period of time - may provide a perceived solution even if it’s not an AH-HA moment. I don’t believe that there is a simple answer as to what makes one use a weapon (gun in this subject) – but taking guns from people is not going the fix the issue!

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

I have a different take on the current gun control debate.

In January, 2011 representative Gabby Giffords was one of the victims of a mass-shooting event in Tucson, AZ. In the aftermath there was nary a word about gun control. In fact, the WH and MSM blamed Republican campaign rhetoric!

In July, 2012 there was a mass-shooting event in Aurora, CO. Again, in the aftermath, there were no calls for gun control from the WH.

In December, 2012 there was a mass-shooting event at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. Suddenly, in the aftermath of this event, the WH is calling for gun control.

Why the difference?

If you remember prior to the p**********l e******n last November, a large number of Obama supporters took to Twitter and other social media threatening to r**t if Obama was not re-elected. These threats were mostly answered by conservatives to the effect of "Bring it on, we've been stockpiling guns and ammo for the last 4 years and we're ready for you."

This scared the "non-violent l*****ts" who are used to getting what they want through violence and threats of violence. Now they want to fix that.

RonMM

Well, I can’t talk too the issue because I don’t care to watch or listen to the news – listening to all this just agitates my frustration with our government for not doing its job, and with some of our people who seek to get something for nothing. Our government did not take us to raise, we should be responsible for ourselves. Our government should not be spending our hard earned money (taxes) to count the number of turtles in the Arizona desert, or inventing an ink pen that can write upside down or under water or in freezing temp’s - the Russians did it with a pencil – here ya go gett’n me started….
We need government – but we don’t need it to wipe our collective noses.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

I had already figured that one out also Voice, but was debating whether or not to mention it. The l*****t supporters saying that they'll do some r**ting, l**ting, burning, pillaging, and even murdering, in the case of a Republican victory, ... Obama has no problem with that. The conservatives saying "Bring it on, we'll defend ourselves," now Obama has a big problem with that!

The Progressive Patriot

Or could it be that we just want to stop gun violence. This talk about uprisings is not good or responsible.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

We? Speaking of changing screen names, maybe yours should include "groupthink". So are you saying that you didn't want to "stop the gun violence" after Tuscon or Aurora? What makes you think making guns illegal will be any more effective than making alcohol illegal was or making recreational drugs illegal has been?

Who's talking about uprisings? Lefties were talking about r**ting. Righties were talking about defending themselves from the r**ting lefties. Where do you get uprisings?