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Dec 14, 2014 12:03:48   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you so much and so sorry that I did not see this until just now. I greatly appreciate your support and comments. Just came back from a needed week's hiatus.




Hope the break was productive. We all need that once in a while to reestablish our priorities, and calm our brains. Take care now that yo are back to keep the vampire trolls off your back.

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Dec 15, 2014 00:25:16   #
rumitoid
 
greyfox wrote:
Jetson seems to seriously searching for Christ--in time he will learn that mocking or otherwise belittling other belief is alosing game.


I have no doubt. His faith is strong.

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Dec 15, 2014 00:26:39   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Hope the break was productive. We all need that once in a while to reestablish our priorities, and calm our brains. Take care now that yo are back to keep the vampire trolls off your back.


Lol, went farming for garlic: have a ton!

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Dec 15, 2014 08:31:15   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lol, went farming for garlic: have a ton!


That should take care of some of them, but not necessarily those whose goal is to suck all the joy out of other peoples' lives. those are best just ignored.

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Dec 15, 2014 14:55:29   #
Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH
 
greyfox wrote:
Sounds like you are a Catholic h**er and i doubt if you have any religion of your own because you mocked much of what is in most religions!!!!


Religion will save no one. Not even the he religion of Christianity. The only thing that saves is a personal relationship with Christ Jesus Himself. There is a world of difference between a man who has a religion with his wife and the man who has a relationship with her. The true Christian has escaped from religiosity into a personal relationship with his/her Lord.

It is written: "I [Jesus] am the Way, the T***h, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me [Jesus]." John 14:6

It is written: "For as many as are led [relationship] by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." and "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit [relationship] that we are the children of God." Romans 8:14, 16

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Dec 15, 2014 15:01:53   #
jetson
 
You guys have it your way. The Bible states, Jesus Christ, laid the foundation and He chose Paul as the master builder, of the new covenant,(the Gospel of Jesus Christ). He said follow me as I follow Christ. If anyone comes and preaches a different teaching he would be damned. Anyone adding to or taking away from the Bible would be damned. These denominations and religions do these things and are counterfeit. The Bible warns us about this. Maybe, you don't care about your souls, but maybe, just maybe others on here do and will research these other religions and the Holy Bible and find the t***h. So call me names, claim I'm insulting others, but I don't care. I rather insult them, if that will get them thinking. You people in these counterfeit religions, Satan has dream up better wake up.

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Dec 15, 2014 15:57:15   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
jetson wrote:
You guys have it your way. The Bible states, Jesus Christ, laid the foundation and He chose Paul as the master builder, of the new covenant,(the Gospel of Jesus Christ). He said follow me as I follow Christ. If anyone comes and preaches a different teaching he would be damned. Anyone adding to or taking away from the Bible would be damned. These denominations and religions do these things and are counterfeit. The Bible warns us about this. Maybe, you don't care about your souls, but maybe, just maybe others on here do and will research these other religions and the Holy Bible and find the t***h. So call me names, claim I'm insulting others, but I don't care. I rather insult them, if that will get them thinking. You people in these counterfeit religions, Satan has dream up better wake up.
You guys have it your way. The Bible states, Jesu... (show quote)

To Oliver and Jetson, inorder to be saved you must have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ--you are expected to read the bible and live according to the 10 Commandments, develop a good prayer life and to belong to a religious group helps make that easier. Protestant, Catholic Jewish or any other.

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Dec 15, 2014 17:11:53   #
Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH
 
jetson wrote:
You guys have it your way. The Bible states, Jesus Christ, laid the foundation and He chose Paul as the master builder, of the new covenant,(the Gospel of Jesus Christ). He said follow me as I follow Christ. If anyone comes and preaches a different teaching he would be damned. Anyone adding to or taking away from the Bible would be damned. These denominations and religions do these things and are counterfeit. The Bible warns us about this. Maybe, you don't care about your souls, but maybe, just maybe others on here do and will research these other religions and the Holy Bible and find the t***h. So call me names, claim I'm insulting others, but I don't care. I rather insult them, if that will get them thinking. You people in these counterfeit religions, Satan has dream up better wake up.
You guys have it your way. The Bible states, Jesu... (show quote)


Have it my way? Sorry, it is not MY way but it is HIS way. If it was my way, then any one can argue it with me. But since it is HIS way, then to Him you must go.

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Dec 15, 2014 21:12:06   #
jetson
 
Oliver wrote:
Have it my way? Sorry, it is not MY way but it is HIS way. If it was my way, then any one can argue it with me. But since it is HIS way, then to Him you must go.


Oliver, thanks for trying to open eyes. Both your post have hit the nail, on the head.

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Dec 15, 2014 23:04:40   #
rumitoid
 
Oliver wrote:
Religion will save no one. Not even the he religion of Christianity. The only thing that saves is a personal relationship with Christ Jesus Himself. There is a world of difference between a man who has a religion with his wife and the man who has a relationship with her. The true Christian has escaped from religiosity into a personal relationship with his/her Lord.

It is written: "I [Jesus] am the Way, the T***h, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me [Jesus]." John 14:6

It is written: "For as many as are led [relationship] by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." and "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit [relationship] that we are the children of God." Romans 8:14, 16
Religion will save no one. Not even the he religi... (show quote)


Maybe. But our personal relationship is to be with the Church, not directly with Christ. This keeps us in the world!

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Dec 15, 2014 23:06:12   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
That should take care of some of them, but not necessarily those whose goal is to suck all the joy out of other peoples' lives. those are best just ignored.


Agreed, wise words.

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Dec 15, 2014 23:10:23   #
rumitoid
 
greyfox wrote:
To Oliver and Jetson, inorder to be saved you must have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ--you are expected to read the bible and live according to the 10 Commandments, develop a good prayer life and to belong to a religious group helps make that easier. Protestant, Catholic Jewish or any other.


This is curious. My God is big enough to include your view and mine.

For me, the Christian life is not about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, reading the Bible, or, least of all, following the Ten Commandments.

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Dec 16, 2014 08:39:04   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
This is curious. My God is big enough to include your view and mine.

For me, the Christian life is not about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, reading the Bible, or, least of all, following the Ten Commandments.


Honest question...Then, for you, what is the Christian life about?

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Dec 16, 2014 08:56:57   #
Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH
 
rumitoid wrote:
Maybe. But our personal relationship is to be with the Church, not directly with Christ. This keeps us in the world!


"No-can-do." The Church can save absolutely no one. It is the Church who has been saved by her Brideg***m, Christ. The Bride (Church) is required to have a RELATIONSHIP with her Brideg***m, Christ, BEFORE she can effectively be the "salt" and the "light" in the world. Apart from the primary relationship in Christ there can be no Church. Only those that have that relationship with Jesus Christ are members of His Church.

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Dec 16, 2014 09:46:22   #
Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH
 
rumitoid wrote:
This is curious. My God is big enough to include your view and mine.

For me, the Christian life is not about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, reading the Bible, or, least of all, following the Ten Commandments.


Really? Did you not read what you wrote? From where did the word "Christian" come other than from Christ Himself. Apart from Christ, I doubt if there would have been any such word as "Christian".

Thus, apart from a genuine relationship with Christ, [and here you are right] Bible reading and obedience to the 10 commandments (or anything else said and/or done in the name of religiosity) commends no one to God.

Apart from any positive relationship that a man has with his wife, all that he says and does only falls on deaf ears. Once that loving relationship has been established, all that he says and does from then on only helps to further develop that relationship. "Commandments" flowing from a heart of flesh are gratefully followed while "commandments" written in a heart of stone result in open r*******n.

Because a woman loves her husband, she joyfully reads all the "love notes and letters" (scripture) he sends her way. And because he loves his wife, he joyfully acts upon her every "commandment" (spend time with me and the kids, wash the dishes, do the laundry, take out the trash, etc., and etc.).

Moral: Nothing good can flow from a bad relationship.

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