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Dec 4, 2014 00:13:47   #
rumitoid
 
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?

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Dec 4, 2014 08:42:51   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I l... (show quote)



Congratulations on your long term sobriety. For most of us, our interpretation of the Bible and our daily struggle to become better people has to begin with our particular background and frame of reference, and is, therefore, different for each of us. No matter where our starting point is, our ultimate goal, at least for most of us, is the same. My goal is a connection to God, through Jesus Christ, but my path there has many, many missteps along the way, and is still a long way from finished.

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Dec 5, 2014 05:42:40   #
rjoeholl
 
Nothing personal but I think anyone with "ologist" in their title should be shot on sight.
rumitoid wrote:
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I l... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2014 14:44:12   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I l... (show quote)

Like you i am a cradle Catholic and had 12 yrs of Parochial education-- i never went through the doubting and challenging period you had. Not sure just what is the point of your post, i think and feel like you found your way to Christ--good luck with your life.

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Dec 6, 2014 01:08:27   #
rumitoid
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Congratulations on your long term sobriety. For most of us, our interpretation of the Bible and our daily struggle to become better people has to begin with our particular background and frame of reference, and is, therefore, different for each of us. No matter where our starting point is, our ultimate goal, at least for most of us, is the same. My goal is a connection to God, through Jesus Christ, but my path there has many, many missteps along the way, and is still a long way from finished.


Thank you, we see much the same. My oblique (totally obscure?) intention was that others may share their story so we get to possibly break down some walls and come to better appreciate this community of voices from nowhere. Put a face and some flesh to this black and white noise and perhaps a bridge-project could begin.

Distance k**ls. To do any harm to another, maybe even for a psychopath, it is necessary to make a person "other": not like ourselves, family, group, nationality, race, area, school, or wh**ever. Separation from them in wh**ever way allows the space to see them as lesser, and the greater this separation, or difference, the easier and more merciless the attack. But open a way to identify, with a little history and common struggles, and the distance shrinks. Our perspective broadens. We see a person and one not unlike ourselves. Like me and NPP.

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Dec 6, 2014 08:44:26   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
rumitoid wrote:
Thank you, we see much the same. My oblique (totally obscure?) intention was that others may share their story so we get to possibly break down some walls and come to better appreciate this community of voices from nowhere. Put a face and some flesh to this black and white noise and perhaps a bridge-project could begin.

Distance k**ls. To do any harm to another, maybe even for a psychopath, it is necessary to make a person "other": not like ourselves, family, group, nationality, race, area, school, or wh**ever. Separation from them in wh**ever way allows the space to see them as lesser, and the greater this separation, or difference, the easier and more merciless the attack. But open a way to identify, with a little history and common struggles, and the distance shrinks. Our perspective broadens. We see a person and one not unlike ourselves. Like me and NPP.
Thank you, we see much the same. My oblique (total... (show quote)


As you know I have attempted to be oped about my childhood, not to call attention to myself but to hopefully help some deal with their life experiences. From the number of PMs I get, it seems to be helping a few. Yes, openness helps. What doesn't help is when someone who is willing to talk about being molested receives nasty comments that he is lying and it didn't ever happen, sent from someone who knows nothing about the subject. One of the prime reasons we (SWMBO and I) post here is to keep the subject of child abuse out there so people who have been abused will be willing to seek help. Openness can be terrifying because to do that, you must be willing to examine your past and evaluate your present actions accordingly, without making excuses for your behavior. It's a tough world at best, a helping hand is always welcome.

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Dec 7, 2014 14:54:55   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I l... (show quote)


Thank you for sharing your story. I feel I know you a little better. I believe we go through our struggles in order to learn our t***h. To me this world is a class room. Our religion is our guide back to God. We are not perfect nor are we expected to be. It is not the mistakes we make in life (we all make them) it is what we have learned from them.

Your journey has not been an easy one but a necessary one to make you the person you are. I am not a Christian but if this path has brought you closer to God then it is the path for you.

I believe we all struggle day to day to be the people God wants us to be. We are free to make our choices. God forgives our silly ones. Be happy and may your faith bring you joy.

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Dec 7, 2014 20:24:56   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
She Wolf wrote:
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel I know you a little better. I believe we go through our struggles in order to learn our t***h. To me this world is a class room. Our religion is our guide back to God. We are not perfect nor are we expected to be. It is not the mistakes we make in life (we all make them) it is what we have learned from them.

Your journey has not been an easy one but a necessary one to make you the person you are. I am not a Christian but if this path has brought you closer to God then it is the path for you.

I believe we all struggle day to day to be the people God wants us to be. We are free to make our choices. God forgives our silly ones. Be happy and may your faith bring you joy.
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel I know y... (show quote)


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Dec 8, 2014 02:27:16   #
rumitoid
 
She Wolf wrote:
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel I know you a little better. I believe we go through our struggles in order to learn our t***h. To me this world is a class room. Our religion is our guide back to God. We are not perfect nor are we expected to be. It is not the mistakes we make in life (we all make them) it is what we have learned from them.

Your journey has not been an easy one but a necessary one to make you the person you are. I am not a Christian but if this path has brought you closer to God then it is the path for you.

I believe we all struggle day to day to be the people God wants us to be. We are free to make our choices. God forgives our silly ones. Be happy and may your faith bring you joy.
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel I know y... (show quote)


Brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.

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Dec 10, 2014 16:34:40   #
jetson
 
greyfox wrote:
Like you i am a cradle Catholic and had 12 yrs of Parochial education-- i never went through the doubting and challenging period you had. Not sure just what is the point of your post, i think and feel like you found your way to Christ--good luck with your life.


How someone falls for the Catholic religion is hard for me to understand. It seems the wealthy, the well educated and the very poor of the Spanish, has been really been brain wash with it. The common sense middle class, have sense enough to understand, this religion. It goes against almost completely, what is in the KJV and even in their Doquay Rheims bible. The Bibles state their is no queen in heaven, no mention of a pope, can't work for your salvation. No mention of any holy water. Never bow down to idols. Never mentions carrying Jesus Christ around on a stick. Jesus said, take the eucharist, (communion), in memory, of Him. Not keep k*****g Him over and over. Never says, Church can change Gods rules and regulation. Said nothing about taking out "Thou shall not bow down to anything in heaven or earth" How can you explain this and the rest of this gunk, they have added over the years. Believe me, they are not through yet. The one that really gets me is: Mary has risen out of the ground and is heaven, and is now divine. This is pitiful, when intelligent people can fall for this.

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Dec 10, 2014 18:00:30   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
jetson wrote:
How someone falls for the Catholic religion is hard for me to understand. It seems the wealthy, the well educated and the very poor of the Spanish, has been really been brain wash with it. The common sense middle class, have sense enough to understand, this religion. It goes against almost completely, what is in the KJV and even in their Doquay Rheims bible. The Bibles state their is no queen in heaven, no mention of a pope, can't work for your salvation. No mention of any holy water. Never bow down to idols. Never mentions carrying Jesus Christ around on a stick. Jesus said, take the eucharist, (communion), in memory, of Him. Not keep k*****g Him over and over. Never says, Church can change Gods rules and regulation. Said nothing about taking out "Thou shall not bow down to anything in heaven or earth" How can you explain this and the rest of this gunk, they have added over the years. Believe me, they are not through yet. The one that really gets me is: Mary has risen out of the ground and is heaven, and is now divine. This is pitiful, when intelligent people can fall for this.
How someone falls for the Catholic religion is har... (show quote)

Sounds like you are a Catholic h**er and i doubt if you have any religion of your own because you mocked much of what is in most religions!!!!

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Dec 11, 2014 14:49:51   #
jetson
 
greyfox wrote:
Sounds like you are a Catholic h**er and i doubt if you have any religion of your own because you mocked much of what is in most religions!!!!

If you want to follow the traditions of man, that is your choice. I was trying to get the catholics to open the Bible and study, what I posted. Sorry, I'm not here to argue. Just to warn.

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Dec 11, 2014 18:12:47   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
jetson wrote:
If you want to follow the traditions of man, that is your choice. I was trying to get the catholics to open the Bible and study, what I posted. Sorry, I'm not here to argue. Just to warn.


You seem to have some knowledge of the Catholic Religion but the way you put things is insulting---You never mentioned your religion which causes me to think you may be an Athiest. If you have any serious questions send them as a private message and i will answer them.

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Dec 11, 2014 22:08:02   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I lived there for 37 years. Case closed?

I am what is called a Cradle Catholic: baptized at ten days old and a dedicated believer for 37 years, all parochial education for 12 years, feeling I knew everything there was to know about God and spirituality. Funny.

Almost fifteen years a drunk and gambler: a truly (no self-deprecation meant) dirty, rotten scoundrel. Amends for that period, thirty years or more ago, still underway.

Sober 1-17-84 til present.

First 4 years of sobriety looking, through intense study, to destroy popular Christianity, though maintaining a daily commitment to Christ. Studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, a course in miracles. And in that discovered certain universal t***hs that I feel are best expressed in Christ's message. Or at least to me.

Went back to school and got an AA in hospice, a BA in Hospice/Psych, and then a masters in clinical psychology from Southwest College, all with honors, emphasis on grief counseling, but failed to complete my apprenticeship. The reasons are still not clear to me though I have an opinion: psychology appeared to be not a real answer, although it could possibly help.

What Christ had to say and do on all so-called political questions is not clear! That I may see it as I see it does not mean it is t***h or the, er, proper interpretation. But my limited view is all I have to go on. I challenge it constantly with the Devil's Advocate training I got from the Jesuits back in HS and college. Yet do I really?
"Nothing good can come out of the Bronx': I l... (show quote)

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Rumi,

Something good DID come out of the Bronx, YOU! As your life's experiences, training and education has taught you, you are the sum total of all of your experiences. That said, while you ventured into a dark area for a while, you've emerged out from there, a far better person. Even though you questioned your religious up-bringing, and sought other spiritual paths, the fact that you came back shows us that your character has grown in a positive direction.

You took to a profession that was to help others during their times of most vulnerability. That demonstrates a desire to care for others that too few of us have. That you write about yourself to others like we are some of your closest friends, tells us that you're not one to hide your feelings and beliefs. And, you tell your story, not to display any brinkmanship, but to show others that you're just as fallible as any other human. You also show that, through hard work and determination, you've, thus far, over come your demons and have a history of victory over them.

That, my friend, is what a true lover of God and Jesus demonstrates. You may have been in a very deep hole for a period of your early life, but you've persevered and, now, are an examole for others; that there is living proof of success right in their presence.

You keep-on fighting, just as you have been. You've found out what it's like to be a "prodigal son," and return to the Father. I congratulate you and wish you
God's continued blessings on you and yours! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :

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Dec 11, 2014 22:24:07   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
alabuck wrote:
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Rumi,

Something good DID come out of the Bronx, YOU! As your life's experiences, training and education has taught you, you are the sum total of all of your experiences. That said, while you ventured into a dark area for a while, you've emerged out from there, a far better person. Even though you questioned your religious up-bringing, and sought other spiritual paths, the fact that you came back shows us that your character has grown in a positive direction.

You took to a profession that was to help others during their times of most vulnerability. That demonstrates a desire to care for others that too few of us have. That you write about yourself to others like we are some of your closest friends, tells us that you're not one to hide your feelings and beliefs. And, you tell your story, not to display any brinkmanship, but to show others that you're just as fallible as any other human. You also show that, through hard work and determination, you've, thus far, over come your demons and have a history of victory over them.

That, my friend, is what a true lover of God and Jesus demonstrates. You may have been in a very deep hole for a period of your early life, but you've persevered and, now, are an examole for others; that there is living proof of success right in their presence.

You keep-on fighting, just as you have been. You've found out what it's like to be a "prodigal son," and return to the Father. I congratulate you and wish you
God's continued blessings on you and yours! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :
----------- br br Rumi, br br Something good DID... (show quote)


Well said.

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