BIGEAGLE Loc: Washington State

We have had laws on all of these things mentioned, :
for Centuries....NONE are obeyed...!!!

As a retired sheriff, I have a very FIRM belief...." When any laws, or rules, are broken, ....( This is referring to Elected persons of any position....)
Then , there MUST be (SEVERE) penalties...!!! Without penalties for offenses, ....NO one will ever comply... !!! NO one...!!! ) (example) When an elected congressperson does not follow the desires of those constituents who elected them to this $174,000 job, and ONLY work a total of 78 days out of the year, THEN, a severe penalty of "Recall", loss of any pension , and a fine of $100,000.

If they accepted a bribe from any lobbyist...Then prison for 3 years, (with no chance) of parole...This makes them v**e the way we want them to v**e, not the big Corp.'s...

NOW, think just how many will go off the main track with that "penalty h*****g over their head ??????????? The only way,.. IS to have PENALTY for any and ALL violations, and (enacted,...period. !!! No horse-puckey like the congress does, no hesitating , nor debating, violate...then too late...GONE...!!!

Just as the taking away of our guns...everyone knows that then the law -abiding citizen will comply, but ALL the (LAWBREAKERS) , (including Congress, the "Supremes", and now the prez.(?) couldn't care less what you think, cause they don't follow what you the citizen want... Now this is a FACT, Jack...and you know it !!!

Penalties for ANY rule or LAW breakers, or Forget it, you will never accomplish a thing, cause BIG Brother is taking over....No penalties, No compliance....!!! :( End of a Country...No one is learning from HISTORY....!!! :(

FEDUP

/ You may want to change the word democracy to the word Republic. This country was founded as a Republic!

BIGEAGLE Loc: Washington State

We are a Republic with a Democratic form of govt.
Majority rules...
If I could v**e for all the people...all congresspersons would be ousted...!!!
My old boss is in congress, but it is said that after two terms, most are corrupt....!!!,
also told what to do, and how to v**e, or else..?????????? True... That is why (20 year maximum time)
allowed in congress is needed, - old timers "run" this "Domed" palace...!!!

We would start anew with our newly elected employees with , as I stated previously , would face
(very strict penalties) for failure to adhere to the
wishes of their constituency....ONLY !!!
We hire them, We fire them....so very simple...!!!

Anyone who is elected and fails in the slightest, is gone , either by "recall", prison , heavy fine, or all of the previous...!!! :- :-) :-)
Any questions?

Also, "I******s" would be imprisoned for 3 years, plus 1 day, then Deported...5 years every other time re-entry
and caught..."Illegal" means NO-NO...!!!

You should read all other countries penalities for "I******s" --- Firing squad, 12 years imprisonment. (lost somewhere in space) ...(never heard of again)...all true, list of each countries penalty's given by personal request... :hunf:
"Political Correctness " has ruined what is left of our country...!!!

BIGEAGLE Loc: Washington State

AuntiE: If obumma can write it down as a bad thing, (exec. order) for us to own guns, and he keeps seeking permission from the U.N., which should (never) over rule over our constit., The U.N. h**es America as much as obumma, ( They should be "kicked " out of our country, and we join NATO, and leave the U>N>) then he can simply sign that exec. order making it "illegal" to own guns, he doesn't give a "hoot" about your "old rag" .....(Constitution)
......Who will stop him...???
Our own FBI is on HIS side...so, who..... ??????????????? Please tell me WHO ???

If we were able to put it on the national b****t as to : (do you want gun control to be established by exec. order,?) and it is v**ed DOWN, and Sheriff's offices all around the country are vowing NOT to follow his exc. order...
it will definitely pack more of a "punch" ...!!!

If We, the people, are also say by b****t, "do not mess with any of our constit. "rights"....is what I was referring to...,
I do realize it takes 38 states, but obumma simply doesn't care about the RULES, he is out to destroy America, and he calls the Constit. " an old piece of Parchment", -

He refuses to do anything We, the people want, as does our own "corrupt"congress,....
if they aren't V**ED" out, we are through....it is as simple as that !!!
There are NO penalties " for "corruption in Congress"....
It mst start in the States to get it on the national b****t,
all things We, the people want...!!!

BUT, the people are busy working to support their families and are 'stupidly' thinking the GovT, is FOR them...
especially those on welfare, and who is going to take that away, by their v**e ?????

BIGEAGLE Loc: Washington State

Michael: I'm on your side...We need to START doing something, instead of Blogging ONLY...!!!

I guess the best approach is to late, but it has to start with state legislatures , which are as "corrupt" as is our own congress....!!! Greed "rules"... How sad.......:thumbdown:

This is where there must be (Severe Penalties") for non compliance with LAW...!!!
I cannot understand what most people think the word "ILLEGAL" means ....%*&^#$%&*

if there were no laws against robbing banks, they would be robbed daily, if there were no laws against rape, there would be rapes more often then they are, if , if, if , we need laws for everything or else ...the country goes to hell..!!!
Severe Penalties are needed for prisons also, when you go to prison, you should have to WORK 8 hours per day for 6 days per week, with only Sunday off....no more weight lifting, lounging around , this is not PRISON,

It is a crowded home, housing bad boys...it was said by inmates the only thing tough about prison is not being able to go where you want...???

In my opinion, this is not a penalty, sorry, but Prison should be a place where felons "FEAR" prison for the toughness of it...!!! That's Prison...!!! That's a severe penalty... !!!

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

Unfortunately, this will never be allowed to occur until the ACLU is considered a terrorist organization and disbanded with extreme prejudice.

The Dutchman

But it is a terrorist organization, protecting the liberal criminals in this country.. I'm with Big Eagle prison should be a place the criminals fear.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Consider one thing when you discuss disbanding them. The one issue many of us on the Plaza hold near and dear, 2nd Amendment, is an issue they are more then willing to litigate. With all the current legislation issuing forth from various states, now may not be the best time for such an action. Yes, the NRA will file their legal actions; however, they cannot do it all.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

I h**e you AuntiE!!

I was going to dispute your claim of the ACLU supporting the 2nd Amendment. In doing so, I began researching my argument about the ACLU and its "alter-ego" (my words) the ACLJ. On the main page of the ACLU website it has a se******n "Click to see all issues". I did this and did not see anything regarding gun control or gun rights protections. I went to the search option, typed in "gun control" and immediately found several letters and cases where the ACLU not only supports the Second Amendment rights of the citizenry, but also files suit against those who try to violate it.

I see the ACLU as an arm of the Liberal agenda and have only paid attention to things it has done to go against my beliefs; now I have to reconsider my position on it.

Damn it, AuntiE, I WANT TO H**E THE ACLU.

Now I can only dislike some of its issues and cannot h**e it indiscriminately.

ACLU website : http://www.aclu.org
ACLJ website : http://aclj.org

Now that I have put forth my rant, you are no longer h**ed AuntiE. But I am going to be wary when next I want to argue against you. :-)

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I failed to actually read what you said in this post the other day and just now read it closer. We cannot, according to our Constitution, put up an amendment to the Constitution. All amendments, according to our used to be revered document, have to be approved either by 3/4 of State Legislatures or 3/4 of State Conventions. The v**es by the people just won't work for amending the Constitution.

Also, I have to comment on Big Eagle's question that no laws have ever been passed in this nation by a v**e of the people. Only the Congress can do that, again according to the Constitution. Whoops, I just thought about states amending their constitutions with v**es by the people. That happens when gutless legislators won't take care of the problems, themselves.

However, there has never been anything like a popular v**e to pass anything on the federal level.

With this post I have answered both you and Big Eagle who doesn't seem to like you.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I am all for strong penalties for law breaking but I don't think there is a legislator alive who will v**e for such a penalty for any law he may break doing his job. It is like expecting them to pose term limits, it ain't gonna happen.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Using circular logic, and because it has currently been an issue in my state, placing gun control mandates as a referendum on a b****t can ultimately lead state legislatures to v**e to amend the 2nd Amendment. To whit, 89% of the v**es show citizens want more gun control in 3/4 of the states with the initiative on the b****t could lead to 3/4 of the state legislatures passing such legislation. This was where my original point came from. We need to be exceedingly careful in statements on this subject.

Yes, I perceive he cares not for me and have had others point it out in PMs. I find his posts to be somewhat convoluted in presentation.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Your total lack of discernment quite befuddles AuntiE :shock:

Do you actually perceive I would be so moronic as to make such a statement to the Mensa research guru (you) without a solid foundational background? To use slang, R E A L L Y. What did you have as beverages or food earlier? Wh**ever it was, refrain from such consumption in the future.

We are in agreement concerning the cases and positions of the organization some of which are an a*********n. Do remember the old saying relating to throwing the baby out with the bath water. Though, there are times parents do want to throw both out. :-D AuntiE should check with your family on that matter. :?:

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

It was not your statement which prompted me to start to disagree with you. It was my personal stance on the ACLU that automatically biased me against your statement.

We conservatives are quite capable of making mistakes, myself included. And unlike the liberals who post here who believe they are infallible, we can also admit those mistakes and take our punishment or make judgement upon ourselves. In this case, I felt it necessary to show my ignorance of the ACLU after being forced to school myself because of the way I like to post. It only goes to show that if you actually do the research, instead of blindly assuming you have all the knowledge, that you can not only change your opinion, however reluctantly, but you can actually learn something. That is something our liberal friends seem reluctant to understand.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Article V of The Constitution says,"The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both HOUses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several States, shall call convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid, to all intents and purposes as part of this Constitution,when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress, . . . . . . .

I don't know how this fits what you say but I do know that as long as we have this Constitution and it is being followed this is the only way, actually two of them, that it can be amended. I don't see anything there about a chance of having a national v**e about amending the thing.