keepuphope Loc: Idaho

NY put laws on their books that up to the moment of birth it's ok. A few other Democrat run states are either pushing it or its in place.

LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

Yes Both extremes are dangerous. Exceptions should be allowed in case by case basis.

Liberty Tree

What exceptions? What time frame?

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

So, before that they are what, non-human?

WEBCO

So allowing an a******n up until the child crowns is "reasonable"

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

Don't you know, their a clump of cells.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Before they're fetuses.. if woman is raped or 12 year old gets raped by her father or brother (incest) a******n is ok... in my opinion..

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

"The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."
https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

“A recent five-year research study has revealed that an overwhelming majority of biologists from 1,058 academic institutions confirm that “a human’s life begins at fertilization.”
“Steven Jacobs was a University of Chicago Ph.D. candidate who recently successfully defended his dissertation, “Balancing A******n Rights and Fetal Rights: A Mixed Methods Mediation of the U.S. A******n Debate.” For his research, Jacobs recruited 5,502 academic biologists to participate in his thesis study, “Biologists’ Consensus on ‘When Life Begins.’” The biologists identified themselves as “very pro-choice, very pro-life, very liberal, very conservative, strong Democrats and strong Republicans.” 
“After five years, the research showed that 95 percent (5212 out of 5502) of the biologists affirmed the biological view that a human’s life begins at fertilization, revealing that biology professors in American academia overwhelmingly agree with this pro-life position.”
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/071219-most-biologists-believe-life-begins-at-conception-1

Until folks (particularly l*****ts) come to the discussion acknowledging that an a******n is the extinguishing of a human life, their input should be considered as dishonest politics. Their position is politically motivated, not scientifically or morally motivated. End of discussion.

When it is acknowledged that an a******n ends a human life, then the real discussion can take place of whether or not that taking of a life is based on valid moral concerns. There is such a thing as "justifiable homicide". When pro-a******nists can start using that kind of language to acknowledge they are talking about taking a human life, then they can be listened to as really wanting to talk t***h, facts and morality. Until then, no.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

So you justify k*****g it by denying the baby it's humanity?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

I'm sorry but in case if rape. Yes.. I can't imagine carrying my rapist's baby to term.... There are women that could and I admire them, but it's not me... Does it make me bad person? Perhaps, but that is the way I feel..

elledee

Your the only reason I would support a******n

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Your mother carried a dead baby, and here you are! A miracle of modern science!

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Like I mentioned, there is such a thing as "justificable homicide". What I am saying is that, denying a human being its validity isn't a good excuse. However, if there are moral concerns (rape, incest, health of the mother or baby, things like that) that should be considered and made allowances for as long as it is acknowledged that we are talking about the taking of a human life in the equation.

When someone breaks into someone's house in an attempt to rape, steal, or murder, and the victim shoots that person dead, that is legal, justifiable homicide in my opinion. But the person who k**ls that perpetrator doesn't get to say, "well, that wasn't really a human being so I am completely within my rights." No, that isn't that person's place to make that kind of a judgment. The judgment was legitimately made against the actions that human being did.

Do you see the difference? I'm saying, if you can truly see the difference, you will at least acknowledge the life of the baby.

Update: even so, I personally wouldn't want to see a baby put to death because of the crime of one or both of the parents. But I would allow a mother to make that call.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Yes, I definitely agree with you!... These are the only 3 exceptions I agree with..