Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Rufus,

Rumitoid is a follower of Saul, not of Jesus. The words and actions, unless written by Saul, is ignored and considered replaced by the new messiah embodied in Saul. Jesus gave a roadmap that is not easy to follow. He kept the Laws of God. Saul came along and wrote excuses so that mankind could continue in their ways and still have salvation and life ever lasting.

rumitoid

A legitimate view.

rumitoid

If you had something to say,ginnyt, instead of trolling, say it! I mentioned only Jesus: obviously you were not following.

rumitoid

You are frkn clueless. STUDY!

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Sorry to weigh in here but the Old Testament was the old law betwern God and man. The N.T. is the new law we now live under and the O. T. no longer applies. Of course some old laws were carried over as taught by Christ, such as the 10 commandments, but the days of God commanding death to whomever are passed.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

I have this to say about that rumi...

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

- Romans 13:1

How's that for New Testament justification for the death penalty? You confuse man's law, God's law and, free will to choose good or choose evil.

So what shall a believer do when man's law contradicts God's law? Do we say to God, I condone a******n because it's legal? I condone homosexuality and support those that practice it because it's legal? What a dilemma, right?

WRONG!

But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men.

- Acts 5:29

Jesus went to His death because it was the law, no matter if it was it was justified or not. You know why He came over two-thousand years ago? Because if He came now instead of then, His attorney would still be filling appeals and He would be rotting in prison to this very day... All mankind would still be Hell bound and, not reconciled to God because of a technicality and, the great American appeals process. Think about how we'd all be screwed then?

Do people get executed unjustly? Of course they do. Should we allow a child molesting, child k*****g predator or, anyone else found guilty of a capital offense sit and finish out their days breathing God's good air, eating God's good food and, making a mockery out of God's good and just ways?

You decide, I think it's a real "NO BRAINER"...

And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.

- Mark 12:17

Amazed... ? I sure the heck am!

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Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

There are varying Christian viewpoints. One is "once saved, always saved". Is that your belief? I don't agree with that. I believe that the Kingdom can be lost if one violates certain of God's laws. I also believe that if one believes "once saved, always saved" they are giving themself Carte Blanche to do wh**ever with no regard to Christ's teachings.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT?

"Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.

- Genesis 9:6

Hell, why you're at it, lets' get rid of or update all these antiquated verses...

That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

- Genesis 2:24

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

That is O. T. We now live under N. T. O. T. Was God's law at that time only. Not applicable today.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

In this case, he is correct. The N. T. is now in effect. This is basic.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Bad argument ginny, I guess that would be your take on it. Jesus Christ was who again, just for the record...?

:roll:

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Paul comes with some very fine credentials...

and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" And he said, "Who are You, Lord?" And He said, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting,…

- Acts 9:4-5

Just sayin', you heard something different?

:roll:

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

There are various Christian opinions Doc but, only one t***h...

"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."

- Matthew 12:31-32

It is all in whom you believe in I suppose...

For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day.

- 2 Timothy 1:12

When we go too far, guess what happens to us before we lose our salvation?

I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians 5:5

Follow?

:wink:

Betta

Capital punishment wasn't what His death was about. His purpose here on earth was to save us from our sins, reconcile us back to God and that we may have everlasting life from everlasting to everlasting. Because of His work on the cross, we don't have to get what we ALL truly deserve, to burn in hell. Instead, He laid down His life so that we may have life.

Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the whole world, believers and non believers alike. He could have called upon legions of angels to pass this cup from Him but, He didn't. He was so sick in the Garden of Gesthemeny He was sweating blood, took an awful beating then nailed to a cross. He was spit on, beaten, slapped, punched, kicked and utterly humiliated. A crown of thorns placed upon his head and made to bear His own heavy cross to Golgotha where His hands and feet were nailed to the cross He bore. They beat Him unmercifully ripping and gashing His skin. It was a tortured blood bath. All because He performed a healing on the Sabbath.

Can you even imagine what that must have been like, felt like? All to save our wretched souls. If that ain't love then love doesn't exist.

Want to know what true freedom and excitment feels like? Ask Him into your life.

Betta

Absolutely correct. We are no longer under the law because Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law at His death on the cross. No one could keep the law because it was very strict, so Jesus fulfilled it for us. We are now under grace.