Rose42

As is often the case your sources are simply not credible.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Jews come from Judea, that's where they got their name. I don't h**e you, Rad3, we just have very strong opinions that are opposite one another. My opinion is based on what I read in the Bible.

https://theserapeum.com/97-of-jews-are-not-of-abraham-f**e-hebrews/

97%+ Of Jews Are Not of Abraham – F**e Hebrews

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Who are Jews?

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews?

The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashken**i or Khazar Jews empire will shock you, and will no doubt cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.

We’re going to cover some ground-breaking information that is based on factual science; not someone’s opinion, not what the news reports, and not what Christian teachers say.

The title may cause you to think that this study will be “antisemitic” but as you will soon learn, that is not possible.

We need to pray for the true Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah, but we also need to discern the t***h about the leaders of Israel, the Ashken**i Jews.

Here’s the list of Jewish witnesses that testify about the Ashken**i people:

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Z*****ts. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 2001, genetics research by Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Tel Aviv, produced basically the same results as Dr. Elhaik. Oppenheim’s study also found that the Jews origins are in Khazaria, and that they are of Turkic bloodline. She also reported that some Palestinians have the c********e in their blood indicating they are Cohanim and Israelite.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashken**im‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Z*****t state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashken**i Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

So how can there be millions of people called Jews in a state called Israel?

Let’s start with the understanding that a person can convert to the religion of Judaism and call themselves a ‘Jew’, even though they’re not an actual descendent of Abraham.

With that in mind, you will be shocked to learn that the newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that:

97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.

The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.

In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’

Today they’re called Ashken**i Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood.
Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.

Tay-Sachs disease affects Ashken**i Jews, but not semitic Jews.

Tay-Sachs disease is a genetic disorder caused by a missing enzyme that results in the accumulation of a fatty substance in the nervous system; which affects chiefly Ashken**ic Jews.

What does this prove? Semitic people never suffer from Tay-Sachs disease! Only Ashken**i Jews do, proving that they are not semites.

Ashkenaz descend from Japheth and Gomer, not from Shem; so that are not semites. Abram (Abraham) descended from Shem, the Ashekenaz did not.

Genesis 10:3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

The Khazar heritage of Ashken**i Jews is a historical fact, and hence forfeits their Biblical Right to Palestine, which is often cited by Israeli leaders and fundamental Christian supporters.

So who are the Jewish Khazars?
From 652-1016 A.D., there was a medieval kingdom of Khazaria that included part of modern day Russia, Ukraine, and a sliver of what is now Kazakhstan.

khazaria-map

They were warriors who worshiped many false gods, making them ripe for invasion.

They were being pressured by the Holy Roman Empire in the West, Russian Orthodox Christians in the North, and from the Islamic Caliph**e in the East.

Russian Prince Vladimir would force people to become Christians, or cut off their head.

In the 8th Century, under the reign of King Bulan, they adopted Judaism as their religion. And when the king converts, everyone converts.

This was not a spiritual choice, just a way to avoid conflict with other countries.

Talmudic Rabbi’s were brought in from Babylon, to teach the people Jewish traditions.

After a few hundred years, the people were fully converted to their beliefs.

They were steeped in Judaism rituals, and became “self-styled” Jews with their clothing, beards, long hair on the side, etc…

The Khazarian Empire was a war-like people, who used to be hired out by other countries for battles, so they were already very domineering.

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud told them they could rule the world and have all of the wealth, so they embraced the global domination view of the Talmud.

Prince Vladimer of Russia did attack Khazaria, causing the Khazar Jews to flee. Then Genghis Khan conquered the land and the rest of them fled.

The Khazar Jews settled in Russia (they pretended to be Christian to hide there), Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

The history of the Jewish Ashken**i people is one of domination.
They would infiltrate government and financial institutions to take control through unethical actions, causing countries to pass laws to kick them out.

Here is a partial list of all the countries (and corresponding years) from which the Jews have been legally banished from, over the last thousand years:

France(1182, 1306, 1322, 1394); Upper Bavaria(1276, 1442); England(1276); Saxony(1349); Hungary(1360, 1582); Belgium(1370); Slovakia(1380); Austria(1420); Cologne(1424); Augsburg(1438); Netherlands(1444); Brandenburg(1446, 1510); Warsaw(1483); Spain(1492); Italy(1492, 1540); Lithuania(1495); Portugal(1496); Naples(1496, 1533, 1541); Prussia(1510); Bavaria(1551); Prague(1541, 1557); Hamburg(1649); Vienna(1669); Slovakia(1744); Bohemia(1774); Moscow(1891).

Then due to persecution in Germany and other countries, they were pressed into migrating to Palestine, which became the modern state of Israel.

Not to diminish the tragedy of so many people dying at the hands of the Germans, but since the Ashken**i Jews aren’t the descendents of Abraham, a homeland should have been created for them in their old land of Khazaria, not in Palestine.

Many also fled to the United States. Today, there’s an estimated 7 million Ashken**i Jews in the United States, 6 million in Israel, and 4 million worldwide.

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And so do I. My sources are from the Bible. and I am referring to Jews who directly descended from Judah. Not those Jews who converted to Judaism.

The true Jewish people I referred to were those directly had pure blood descendants from Judah, down to king David and then to Jesus son of Mary.

But the Kazars or Ashken**i had converted to Judiaism during the 8th or 9th century, and by blood line, they are not Jews who descended from the tribe of Judah.

I suppose the Jews also inter -married with other tribes, thus the purity of their heritage was not preserved.

The hypothesis postulated that Ashken**i Jews were primarily, or to a large extent, descended from Khazars, a multi-ethnic conglomerate of mostly Turkic .

The Khazars (/ˈxɑːzɑːrz/) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people that in the late 6th-century CE established a major commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia, southern Ukraine, Crimea, and Kazakhstan.

The view that some or all of the Khazars, a central Asian people, converted to Juda- ism at some point during the ninth or tenth century is widely.

The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel :
Conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, they were exiled to upper Mesopotamia and Medes, today modern Syria and Iraq. The Ten Tribes of Israel have never been seen since. Perhaps k**led by Muslims.

The 2 Tribes left:
The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 bc.

So, these two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, perhaps are the once now occupying Israel along with some other settlers who converted to Judaism.

**Please note: Not all of your issues I can't continue right now, it is getting late. Some other time, we will explore.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

The Israelites were not allowed to marry outside of the tribes. The 10 tribes were not lost, they migrated. A lot of them wound up in America.

Yeshua/Jesus was NOT a Jew.

https://rense.com/general96/jesusnotjew.html

Jesus Was Not A Jew, Either
By Religion Or By Ancestry

Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron.1 Levi was a son of Jacob. Jacob was named Israel by God.2 Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David. Judah was also a son of Jacob.3 Jacob’s sons were the first Israelites. Jesus was specifically an Israelite because he was a direct descendant of two of the sons of Jacob/Israel.4

Why then, does everyone say that Jesus was a Jew? Most people think that Jesus was a Jew, but Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. Israelites were the ones who were called the chosen people of God.5 Edomites, and their descendants, now called Jews, are not the chosen people. The fact that modern day Jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies, or misunderstandings, in all of history.

It would be virtually impossible to find a book written about Jesus that doesn’t describe him as a Jew. Are they all calling him a Jew because they think he was a Jew by religion? Are they all calling him a Jew because they think he was a Jew by ancestry? A person can be a Jew by religion while not being a Jew by ancestry, and a person can be a Jew by ancestry while not being a Jew by religion. Just what are the facts concerning the religion and ancestry of Jesus?

First, was Jesus a Jew as far as his religion was concerned? No, his religion was Hebrewism; or, as we now call it, the Religion of the Old Testament. That religion was the religion of the Hebrews and the Israelites, and was based on the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. Stephen S. Wise, a former chief rabbi of the United States, said:

“The return from Babylon [following the Captivity, about 538 B.C.], and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.”6

Jesus criticized the Jews, or Pharisees, for establishing Judaism which is based on the Talmud,7 and which at the time of Jesus was still called the Tradition of the Elders.8

When the people returned from Babylon, about 538 B.C., after the Babylonian Captivity, they brought back a different religion than the one practiced just fifty years earlier. The new religion was the Tradition of the Elders (or Judaism), and that religion was based on the teachings of the rabbis rather than the laws of God.

“Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples t***sgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also t***sgress the commandment of God by your tradition?”9

In this painting by James Tissot, Jesus was questioned by the Pharisees, and he rebuked them and criticized their religion.10

For many years after the return from the Babylonian Captivity, even at the time of Jesus, the remaining Israelites still went to the Temple and participated in the religious activities there. Those Israelites had nowhere else to go, but they tried to hold on to Hebrewism, the religion of their ancestors, even though that religion had been largely eliminated by the rabbis.

Professor Georg Hermann Schnedermann (1852-1917) of the University of Leipzig, a Lutheran theologian, made his point eloquently when he wrote about the two groups at the time of Jesus with different religions and ethnicities.

He distinguished “between the ‘Israelite’ and ‘Jewish’ elements in the intellectual atmosphere in which Jesus grew up: though Judaism reigned in the schools of the scribes and held the field to outward appearance, yet an ‘Israelite’ strain of piety and conviction prevailed in a certain section of religious society. Those who walked in the green pastures and beside the still waters of this faith of the heart were in touch with the Prophets and understood all that is deepest in the Old Testament.”11

Many of the people hoped that a leader would emerge who would turn back the clock and allow them to have the religion of God that had disappeared.12 A mission of Jesus was to give back to the Israelites the religion that had been stolen from them. Definitely, Jesus was not a Jew by religion.

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So, those who say Jesus was a Jew are repeating the Ashken**i lie.

Radiance3

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Here we go again. We are 180 degree far from each other. It is so early. let's discuss this later. Back to beddy bye! Take care Ginny!

Radiance3

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We will never be able to agree concerning the lineage of Jesus when he became human. As human Jesus descended from Juda's ancestry. Jesus was a Jew descendant of King David unto Mother Mary!

The Ten Tribes of Israel are not from Juda. The were from the ancestors of Abraham, then Jacob's 10 Sons. The so called Lost Tribes.

Juda. the 4th son, and Benjamin, the youngest son, were able to come home to their homeland. Juda was the ancestor of Judaism. Also where Jesus descended upon when born as human to Mary. That's Luke's gospel

Here is Matthew:
Matthew 1:1-17
1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham became the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar. Perez became the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab. Amminadab became the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab. Boaz became the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth. Obed became the father of Jesse,
6 Jesse the father of David the king. David became the father of Solomon, whose mother had been the wife of Uriah.
7 Solomon became the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asaph.
8 Asaph became the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, Joram the father of Uzziah.
9 Uzziah became the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah became the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amos, Amos the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah became the father of Jechoniah and his brothers at the time of the Babylonian exile.
12 After the Babylonian exile, Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abiud. Abiud became the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok. Zadok became the father of Achim, Achim the father of Eliud,
15 Eliud the father of Eleazar. Eleazar became the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
17 Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations;
from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations;
from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations.[/i]
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Luke: 3:23-38 Genealogy of Jesus:
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ 23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Luke ended to the earliest generation to Adam, Seth, Noah, and Shem.

While Matthew : Started with Father Abraham and ended to Joseph the husband of Mary whom were born Jesus Christ.

I like Matthew presentation better.
Luke emphasized Mary the blood mother of Jesus was emphasized.

All of them descended from Abraham . Jacob, Judah to King David and then to Jesus. [/i]

Radiance3

[quote=Ginny_Dandy]Jews come from Judea, that's where they got their name. I don't h**e you, Rad3, we just have very strong opinions that are opposite one another. My opinion is based on what I read in the Bible.

https://theserapeum.com/97-of-jews-are-not-of-abraham-f**e-hebrews/

97%+ Of Jews Are Not of Abraham – F**e Hebrews

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Who are Jews?

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews?

The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashken**i or Khazar Jews empire will shock you, and will no doubt cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.

We’re going to cover some ground-breaking information that is based on factual science; not someone’s opinion, not what the news reports, and not what Christian teachers say.

The title may cause you to think that this study will be “antisemitic” but as you will soon learn, that is not possible.

We need to pray for the true Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah, but we also need to discern the t***h about the leaders of Israel, the Ashken**i Jews.

Here’s the list of Jewish witnesses that testify about the Ashken**i people:

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Z*****ts. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 2001, genetics research by Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Tel Aviv, produced basically the same results as Dr. Elhaik. Oppenheim’s study also found that the Jews origins are in Khazaria, and that they are of Turkic bloodline. She also reported that some Palestinians have the c********e in their blood indicating they are Cohanim and Israelite.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashken**im‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Z*****t state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashken**i Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

So how can there be millions of people called Jews in a state called Israel?

Let’s start with the understanding that a person can convert to the religion of Judaism and call themselves a ‘Jew’, even though they’re not an actual descendent of Abraham.

With that in mind, you will be shocked to learn that the newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that:

97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.

The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.

In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’

Today they’re called Ashken**i Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood.
Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.

Tay-Sachs disease affects Ashken**i Jews, but not semitic Jews.

Tay-Sachs disease is a genetic disorder caused by a missing enzyme that results in the accumulation of a fatty substance in the nervous system; which affects chiefly Ashken**ic Jews.

[i] What does this prove? Semitic people never suffer from Tay-Sachs disease! Only Ashken**i Jews do, proving that they are not semites.

Ashkenaz descend from Japheth and Gomer, not from Shem; so that are not semites. Abram (Abraham) descended from Shem, the Ashekenaz did not.

Genesis 10:3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

The Khazar heritage of Ashken**i Jews is a historical fact, and hence forfeits their Biblical Right to Palestine, which is often cited by Israeli leaders and fundamental Christian supporters.

So who are the Jewish Khazars?
From 652-1016 A.D., there was a medieval kingdom of Khazaria that included part of modern day Russia, Ukraine, and a sliver of what is now Kazakhstan.

khazaria-map

They were warriors who worshiped many false gods, making them ripe for invasion.

They were being pressured by the Holy Roman Empire in the West, Russian Orthodox Christians in the North, and from the Islamic Caliph**e in the East.

Russian Prince Vladimir would force people to become Christians, or cut off their head.

In the 8th Century, under the reign of King Bulan, they adopted Judaism as their religion. And when the king converts, everyone converts.

This was not a spiritual choice, just a way to avoid conflict with other countries.

Talmudic Rabbi’s were brought in from Babylon, to teach the people Jewish traditions.

After a few hundred years, the people were fully converted to their beliefs.

They were steeped in Judaism rituals, and became “self-styled” Jews with their clothing, beards, long hair on the side, etc…

The Khazarian Empire was a war-like people, who used to be hired out by other countries for battles, so they were already very domineering.

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud told them they could rule the world and have all of the wealth, so they embraced the global domination view of the Talmud.

Prince Vladimer of Russia did attack Khazaria, causing the Khazar Jews to flee. Then Genghis Khan conquered the land and the rest of them fled.

The Khazar Jews settled in Russia (they pretended to be Christian to hide there), Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

The history of the Jewish Ashken**i people is one of domination.
They would infiltrate government and financial institutions to take control through unethical actions, causing countries to pass laws to kick them out.

Here is a partial list of all the countries (and corresponding years) from which the Jews have been legally banished from, over the last thousand years:

France(1182, 1306, 1322, 1394); Upper Bavaria(1276, 1442); England(1276); Saxony(1349); Hungary(1360, 1582); Belgium(1370); Slovakia(1380); Austria(1420); Cologne(1424); Augsburg(1438); Netherlands(1444); Brandenburg(1446, 1510); Warsaw(1483); Spain(1492); Italy(1492, 1540); Lithuania(1495); Portugal(1496); Naples(1496, 1533, 1541); Prussia(1510); Bavaria(1551); Prague(1541, 1557); Hamburg(1649); Vienna(1669); Slovakia(1744); Bohemia(1774); Moscow(1891).

Then due to persecution in Germany and other countries, they were pressed into migrating to Palestine, which became the modern state of Israel.

Not to diminish the tragedy of so many people dying at the hands of the Germans, but since the Ashken**i Jews aren’t the descendents of Abraham, a homeland should have been created for them in their old land of Khazaria, not in Palestine.

Many also fled to the United States. Today, there’s an estimated 7 million Ashken**i Jews in the United States, 6 million in Israel, and 4 million worldwide.

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What about the Gospel of Matthew and Luke? Are they wrong to you? That is where the lineage of Jesus was presented from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, until Jesus was born to Mary and Joseph.
I think with your sources, we will never reconcile with this issue where Jesus came from:
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Israel, Judah 4th son of Jacob to King David, and finally to Mary and Joseph, Jesus was born!

Of course Jesus was also an Israelite. Cause Israel was Jacob, and Judah the 4th son of Israel. Israel or Jacob was the father of Judah. Why, is that so complicated?

John 1:1-14: Jesus was the beginning and the end. Alpha and Omega!
Well, Jesus is God, but when he became human, he started from the Jewish family of Mary and Joseph descendants of King David.

The overall ancestry of the 12 sons was Israel called Jacob. Here is where they all started from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Israel, and then the 12 sons of Jacob. Out of the 12 sons of Jacob, was Judah the 4th son of Jacob. This is where the closer relationship where Jesus descended from Judah to King David then to Mary mother of Jesus.

That is Jesus is a Jew, and Judaism is Abrahamic religion! I will be consistent with this. That is the Gospel of John, Matthew, and Luke.

Radiance3

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I already explained earlier who the Khazars and Khazarians are. They were converts to judaism, and not the real Jews.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

The Father of Yeshua/Jesus Christ was YAHWEH, so I don't see where Joseph's lineage made any difference except to the tribesmen living in the neighborhood. The Bible clearly states that Joseph did NOT "know" his wife until AFTER Jesus was born. On the other hand, Mary's lineage would be more relevant as her blood was mixed with His.

Speaking from the standpoint of information specifically found in the Bible, the only indication of which I am aware as to who either of Mary's parents might have been is from the genealogy of Jesus contained in Luke 3:23-38, in which Luke indicates (Luke 3:23) that Joseph (Mary's husband) was "the son of Heli".

Note that this verse does not say that Heli begat Joseph, whereas the genealogy of Jesus found in Matthew 1:1-17 (which traces Jesus' ancestry through the royal line of kings of Israel or Judah who were descended from David through Solomon) specifically says (Matthew 1:16) that "Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary."

From this, and since Mary (as Jesus' mother) would also have had to be descended from King David, according to the promises that God had made about the Messiah coming from David's line (Isaiah 9:7 and Jeremiah 33:14-15), the usual interpretation assigned to Luke 3:23 is that Heli was, in fact, Mary's father, and that Joseph was thus Heli's son-in-law, rather than his son by birth. The genealogy in Luke is thus held to be Mary's ancestry, which indicates that she was descended from David through his son Nathan (as noted in Luke 3:31), rather than Solomon.

If this is the case, it would also resolve the difficulty created by the judgment of God against Jehoiachin (also known as Jeconiah or Coniah), one of Joseph's kingly ancestors, as noted in Matthew 1:11. In Jeremiah 22:30, we find the following judgment pronounced against Jehoiachin by God (at the time that the people of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were carried away to exile in Babylon): "This is what the Lord says: “Record this man as childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David, or rule anymore in Judah.”

This judgment would have meant that the Messiah's descent from David through Solomon was no longer valid. It would therefore have been necessary for the Messiah to have been descended from David through one of his other sons.
https://ebible.com/questions/14994-who-are-the-parents-of-mary-the-mother-of-jesus

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https://bible.org/seriespage/2-birth-jesus-matthew-118-25

We were talking about the time when Jesus became human to live among us.
That was when Jesus was born in Bethlehem. That is why we have Christmas, the birth of Christ. We have also Easter, the death and Resurrection of Christ.

On the other hand you are talking about Jesus as God of the Universal. He is called Yahweh. “God,” tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all. That is Jesus!

Yes, Jesus was conceived without sin thru the mother Mary. When the Angel of the Lord talked to Mary, And she said, "Behold, I am the Angel of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to your word! Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit thru Mary, the Virgin mother of God.
Luke 1:26-38
https://www.saintmarys.edu/files/Second%20Monday.pdf


But Christ is God, He came and lived among us to show us the way how to live and to die for us to pay for our sins. Christ died on the Cross. Matthew 27: 45-54

John 1:1-14
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and t***h.

That is why Jesus when he became human, came from the Jewish ancestry thru the Holy Spirit of God. Thus we call Jesus is a Jew.

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Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Julius Augustus Caesar established his calendar (Julian) in 45 - 46 BC.
It was a horrible thing, 445 days in a year, 8 days in a week,
things were a bit out of whack. So, they changed it to 7 days a week,
and slipped an extra day into February every three years and made a leap year.
Julius named the days of the week,
Saturday was named for the Roman god Saturn,
Sunday was named for the Roman sun god, Sol,
Monday for Luna, the Moon goddess,
Tuesday for Mars, god of war,
Wednesday for Mercury,
Thursday for Jupiter, and Friday for Venus.

The Romans used Julian's calendar in time of Jesus, but,
for Jesus, the Jewish priesthood, and the Jews, the calendar was God's calendar.

God's calendar is based on the lunar cycle.
On God's calendar a week was 7 days, but neither the weeks nor the days were given names.
A date on God's calendar was simply the number of the day in the month.
For example, my birthday this year was on 18 Cheshvan.
Sabbath began at sundown and ended at sundown,
and the day of month upon which Sabbath fell was never the same.

The Gregorian calendar, proclaimed by Pope Gregory in 1582, corrected the errors in the Julian calendar,
but why the Pope retained the names of pagan gods for the days of the week is anybody's guess.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

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Yahweh and His Relationship to Jesus . Jesus is Yahweh

1 John 4:9-10 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. (ESV)

Titus 3:4-6 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regener­ation and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.