Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

https://rumble.com/v1uq742-t***h-today-on-tuesdays-with-pastor-shahram-hadian-ep.-6-111522.html

Join Pastor Shahram Hadian with special guest Mohamad Faridi

Please watch this recent episode of T***h Today with special guest Mohamad Faridi, a former Muslim like myself, from Iran. We discussed the deceptions in missions to Muslims.

As a former Muslim, I am at times amazed and shocked how easily Christians are deceived by Islam, Muslims or even Christian missionaries claiming to be reaching Muslims for Christ.

Today the predominant missional approach to reaching Muslims for Christ is based upon "common word," interfaith, bridge building and the Abrahamic faith lie.

Praise God that He rescued both Mohamad and I out of the darkness of Islam through the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not through these deceptive practices.

In this episode, Mohamad and I discuss the evidence that Islam is not Abrahamic, Allah is not God, and interfaith is unbiblical. We also expose the fallacy of friendship evangelism and much more.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Rose42

Islam is known as a Abrahamic religion but that has value only in the secular world. Its a false religion.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

The American Taliban is the only true religion .

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

👍 That's true! Mohammad was NOT a prophet! He redacted a lot of his sayings when he moved from Mecca to Medina. I believe it was because he got a taste of Judaism.

robertv3

The former Muslims are one up on me, because at least they presumably have studied Islam, which I have not done. I disagree with them anyway.

A great many Muslims, also, must surely disagree with Shahram and Mohamad, so I'm in good company on that matter.

I have not read the Quran (Koran), have not studied Islam, and did not go to the link in the Original Post. But even so I'll give a quick opinion here now:

Islam is Abrahamic because it traces its history to Abraham, similarly as Judaism and Christianity are Abrahamic because they trace their history to Abraham.

I disagree with the statement "Allah is not God". I think that if the Old Testament God is God (the supreme being) (which I doubt, actually), then Allah is probably also God (the supreme being). It would be just another name for God.

The statement "interfaith is unbiblical" is probably true; but interfaith is right and the Bible is wrong in this respect. In the Bible (such as in the even-numbered chapters of Joshua), one religious group (the descendants of Jacob) invade a land, commit ethnicide (tearing down other people's altars), and commit genocide. They were wrong to do so (even if they claim God made them do it). (If a god _did_ make them do it, then that god is not the supreme way of being.)

Parts of the Bible are very interesting. (I'm impressed by Genesis, not for religious reasons but rather for the scope of it and the kind of mind or minds that could write all that.). The Bible's an interesting book but not necessarily a final authority or true or the best interpretation of reality. I do not regard "biblical" or "unbiblical" as much of an argument for anything other than to examine the Bible itself.

There. All that's one person's (my) quick opinion. Perhaps fewer than 1% of the people on OPP would agree with it.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Your opinion is waaaaay off the mark! Islam does NOT trace its history to Abraham. The ONLY descendants of Abraham are Israelites! The original Jews descend from Esau, Jacob's twin brother. The f**e Jews (aka Ashken**is) are not remotely related to Jews or Israelites.

https://thereforegodexists.com/5-reasons-allah-god/

5 REASONS ALLAH IS NOT GOD

currahee506

And Judaism is not Judean.

Rose42

Many Arabs are descended from Ishmael

Your geneology claims are not that accurate. People should know that.

robertv3

Thank you for that comment about the other person's post.

My own thoughts:

Aren't Muslims, such as Islam's main prophet, descended from Ishmael? According to the Bible, wasn't Ishmael the first-born child of Abraham? Or first-born son?

I've heard, or read, many times that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are Abrahamic religions, and geneology would be one way to explain that, but I think the main point in calling them Abrahamic religions is that they grew out of similar traditions. For example, they're all monotheistic, and they all started in the Middle East, and the later versions (Islam and Christianity) were aware of the earlier versions (Judaism and Christianity). One big example of this awareness of earlier versions is that Muslims regard Jesus as one of their prophets. And Christians still regard Old Testament prophets as true "prophets" even though the Old Testament and its prophets were about Judaism, not Christianity per se or not Christianity proper.

Jacquie Loc: New York

Jesus was a Jew. It was not until about 300 AD that the followers of Christ distinguished themselves from other Jews by calling themselves Christians, and declaring that Sunday as the Sabbath. Pope Constantine promoted this thinking during that era. Many Chistian faiths still study the Old Testement and call rhe desert fathers "prophets".

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I do not advise lying about the Word of God.
The followers of Jesus did not call themselves "Christians", the Romans did.
and Christians did not declare Sunday as the Sabbath,
the Gregorian calendar didn't even exist back then.

The Old Testament prophets were, in fact, divinely inspired prophets of God.
If you compiled the nearly 400 Messianic prophecies in the OT, you will have the entire story of Jesus from birth to Ascension.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our t***sgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53.

Jacquie Loc: New York

It is not a lie that Pope Constantine, head of Rome, distinguished the Christians of that time from the Jews, and promoted changing the day of worship to the first day of the week. And those who followed the Roman pope called themselves Christian. If this information is wrong, then the Seventh Day Adventist Church utterly fails, as this is the premise upon which the religion of those believers is based, as is the Commandment that states that Thou shall keep the seventh day holy. Don't be so quick to call names. I may be in error, but I surely do not deliberately perpetuate falsehoods. Judge not lest you yourself be judged.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

You're absolutely right! Judaism is an evil religion. Judean is a person who comes from Judea.

Radiance3

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Abrahamic as an adjective:
Denoting a group of monotheistic religions ( Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) whose teachings are based on the belief in a covenant between God and humankind.

However there are great differences how God truly gave his Covenant:

1. Who was Ishmael?
The biblical Ishmael (Genesis 16:1-16; 21:10 ff.) is disinherited and dismissed from his home in favor of his half-brother Isaac. The name suggests that the narrator is something of an outcast, a drifter, a fellow of no particular family other than mankind.

2. Who was Isaac?
In His covenant with Abraham, God promised land, descendants, and a
blessing to all the nations of the earth. (Gen. 22:17-18) God would keep
His promise through every generation, choosing one person to carry the
line until one day, a child would be born into the family who would be the
promised One. God reaffirmed the promise to Abraham’s son Isaac. Isaac
was the next child chosen to carry the family line.

The Birth of Islam: Started in 610 AD.
Mohammad believes that Jesus is a prophet and not God himself.
Was Muhammad a prophet from birth?
According to Islamic doctrine, he was a prophet divinely inspired to preach and confirm the monotheistic teachings of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets.

Islam commands to k**l those who don't believe in Allah:
Surah 9:5: "Then k**l the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …".
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opinion/columns/mike-clark/2015/02/03/islam-quran-itself-preaches-violence-against-nonbelievers/985431007/

For Christian's we have this John 1-1-14
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega:
John 1:1-14
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and t***h.

Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/christianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report.

Conclusion: Though Ishmael was son of Abraham thru Sara's maid, Hagar, he was not given the Covenant of God to inherit. It was thru Isaac the real son of Sarah to Abraham.

The Muslims remain violent and murderous against Christians and Jews. Few years ago, Christian population in the ME was 20 million. Now, there are few thousands left, and they are treated as second class and s***es by the Muslims.

So, I won't consider Islam Abrahamic. The word is an adjective, meaning
a group of monotheistic religions (esp Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) whose teachings are based on the belief in a covenant between God and humankind. God gave His covenant to Isaac:
Muslim belief system don't reconcile with Judaism. Who truly came from Isaac.

And Christianity believes in the Holy Trinity:
Christianity is belief in Jesus Christ on the Holy Trinity of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit into One God forever. John 1:1-14. the word became flesh.

Fact: There are many Jews beginning to convert to Christianity. Many Iranians are converting to Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Judaism

Note: Judaism is NOT an evil religion. That's the religion whose ancestors were from Juda down the line to King David and Jesus. Jesus was a Jew when he became flesh.
Jesus was a Jew by descent, and He lived a Jewish life in the first century. Jesus was born in Judah to a Jewish mother, raised in Galilee.

Jesus was born lived and died as a Jew.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/bornliveddied.html

So many Jews are entering the Christian faith thru Catholic theology.
https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/