Jacquie Loc: New York

Excellent contribution, Radiance! Thank you.

Rose42

Not necessarily muslims but many Arabs are. Ishmael was Abraham’s firstborn but not to his wife. His covenant was passed to Isaac - the promised son to his wife. But God did bless Ishmael.



I’m not the one to answer that and do it justice. The muslim Jesus though is nothing like the real Jesus. Jesus came to sacrifice himself for us. Islam’s Jesus is far different and never existed

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

The Mormons aka Seventh Day Adventist still practice a Saturday of worship.

Yeshua/Jesus said, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy..." In those days, Saturday was the Sabbath. The Israelites' day began at 6 p.m.

robertv3

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Not necessarily muslims but many Arabs are. Ishmael was Abraham’s firstborn but not to his wife. His covenant was passed to Isaac - the promised son to his wife. But God did bless Ishmael.

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I’m not the one to answer that and do it justice. The muslim Jesus though is nothing like the real Jesus. Jesus came to sacrifice himself for us. Islam’s Jesus is far different and never existed
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"His covenant was passed to Isaac - the promised son to his wife." That's not what I expected. But I think you may be right on that point, according to the Bible. In RSV (Revised Standard Version) I see Gen 17:15-16 "...Sarah... I will give you a son by her ... she shall be a mother of nations ...". I would have preferred more honor to Ishmael (whom you did say was blessed, but still, he got sent away from Abraham's family). There are several things I don't like in the Bible. Another one is how Esau was treated.

I could agree that the Muslim interpretation of Jesus is significantly different from the Christian interpretation of Jesus. I haven't studied it, but I think I prefer the Muslim interpretation of Jesus. But I don't like the Muslim intepretation of Mohammad (as being the last of the prophets -- I think they should allow for the possibility that there could be some other worthy prophet coming later). Generally I disagree about absolutes, magic, divinity, and miracles. For all I know, there could be miracles, in fact I'm hoping for one if I'm ever in dire need some day, but I don't think they're a good thing on which to build a faith. And I don't think there's a supreme being that relies on miracles to get things done.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Yes, Ishmael was Abraham's first born by Hagar, Sari's (Sarah) handmaid. Hagar became snotty to Sarah so Sarah asked Abraham to send her away. God approved but He still watched over Ishmael, making sure he survived.

Muslims don't have a "Jesus" they have Allah. They believe that Yeshua/Jesus Christ was merely another prophet, like Muhammad.

Esau was Jacob's twin brother, who gave up his birthright for a bowl of beans. Rebekah made sure that Esau didn't go back on his word, and that Jacob received the blessing from his father. That infuriated Esau and caused enmity between him and his brother. Esau became the ancestor of the Jews.

Jacquie Loc: New York

The first amendment is wonderful. When one faith claims supremacy over another, intolerance for other faith is born. Freedom of religion encourages us to respect our differences, even where disagreement may exist. Most Muslims in the USA do not seek to k**l people of other faiths. Rejection of American culture and values have also been encouraged in some temples and synagogues. Tolerance should be preached, instead.

Radiance3

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No, Esau was not the ancestry of the Jews. His 3rd wife was Ishmael's daughter, Mahalath.
Check below Esau's wives.

Here is Jacobs background, the ancestors of the Jews.
After the birthright went to Jacob, Esau was angry, and therefore the mother Rebecca, sent Jacob to his brother Laban for sometime to stay. Laban had two daughters, Leah the elder, and Rachel, the younger. Jacob loved Rachel.

Jacob became the Ancestor of the Jews. And then the 12 children of Israel. Jacob's first wife was Leah the eldest daughter of Laban. Their custom and tradition, the elder must be married first. But Jacob loved Rachel, and worked for another 14 years. Over all children of Jacob with Leah, Rachel and the two handmaids were 12 in all.

One of the wives of Isau was the daughter of Ismael.
https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/mahalath-daughter-of-ishmael-midrash-and-aggadah
Esau married the daughter of Ishmael, and he and his father-in-law ... Indeed, Mahalath was as wicked as Esau's first two wives (Midrash Aggadah, ed.

The wives of Esau:
Genesis 26:34; 28:9 Genesis 36:2-3
1. Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite Adah daughter of Elon the Hittite
2. Basemath daughter of Elon the
Hittite
Oholibamah daughter of Anah
daughter of Zibeon the Hivite
3. Mahalath daughter of Ishmael Basemath daughter of Ishmael

Genesis 26:34; 28:9 Genesis 36:2-3
1. Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite Adah daughter of Elon the Hittite
2. Basemath daughter of Elon theHittite
Oholibamah daughter of Anah
daughter of Zibeon the Hivite
3. Mahalath daughter of Ishmael Basemath daughter of Ishmael

Mahalath was, according to the Bible, the third wife of Esau, daughter of Ishmael and sister of Nebaioth. (Genesis 28:6–9)
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Children of Jacob:
The “unloved” Leah bore seven of Jacob's children—six sons, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun, as well as a daughter, Dinah.

Rachel is the mother of Joseph and Benjamin.
(Genesis 30:9). Zilpah hand maid of Leah, gave birth to two sons, whom Leah claimed as her own and named Gad and Asher (Genesis 30:10–13).

Bilhah, hand maid of Rachel, gave birth to two sons, whom Rachel claimed as her own and named Dan and Naphtali.

Overall, there are 12 sons of Jacob or Israel.
These are the descendants of the Jews. Judah the 4th son of Jacob, had these descendants:

Tribe of Judah in the Bible
What is the Tribe of Judah? In the Bible, the Tribe of Judah is one of twelve tribes based on the descendants of Jacob's sons. However, it is important to note that the twelve tribes are not exactly all unique descendants of each respective son of Jacob: Levi's descendants became a priestly clan and had no distinct tribe or territory, while Joseph's sons Manasseh and Ephraim were blessed as if they were direct sons of Jacob rather than mere grandsons.
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Matthew 1:17. 14 generations from Judah to King David, and from King David to Jesus.

From David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Why was Jesus a Jew?
He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world.
Jesus was born a Jew, lived like a Jew, and died like a Jew.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Then why are Muslims amassing weapons?

Jacquie Loc: New York

Iranians are amassing weapons, as well as a few other countries in the ME. I have no knowledge of any Muslims amassing weapons in the USA.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

If Jesus was a Jew, why are you Catholic?

Radiance3

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Let us not go that far Ginny. Catholic is a faith religion, and worship Jesus as God. We are humans, we are not perfect, we could all be sinners. Since God is perfect. But God knows we are short of God's expectations, he forgives those who repent.

Jew is the ancestry of Jesus when he lived among men.
And Jesus is God, the Alpha and Omega, who became flesh to teach us , show us the way how to live. John 1:1-14

Jesus gave us this Prayer.

The Lord's Prayer

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

You're dodging the obvious answer.

Radiance3

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I don't know who you believe Ginny. I just believe in Christ for short.Is the Lord's prayer dodging the obvious!

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

The Lord's Prayer is off topic.

T. Anderson writes:
Obvious fact to anyone that's read the bible!
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on February 28, 2016
This is a very obvious fact to anyone who's read the entire bible, which too many 'Christians' have not; it's hard reading that's been largely reinterpreted to divide.

Did God have therapy in between the 'k**l them all, except the virgin girls who you can 'keep for yourself' Numbers 31, to the "Forgive and forget" loving, s***e friendly, New Testament of Christ?

If that is not enough read "Anacalypsis by Higgins" which proves, in the first 100 pages, the OT, [and NT] have been enhanced by a certain tribe who stood to gain great power over their s***es by making "JESUS", [renamed Christ], a 'Jew'. The word "JEW" was an invention by this KULT claiming to be the Israelites of the bible that edited plagiarized sacred texts before stamping their name upon them.

Psalms is from the Persian Avesta; see also "Arctic Origins of the Vedas" which was never debunked in over one hundred years. Our spirituality did NOT originate in India, but came through there via Russia from the Arctic. (See also "Celtic Druids" who had the door to their amazing temples like Stonehenge, facing North-East for this very reason.)


https://www.amazon.com/Thank-God-Savior-Was-Not/dp/0944379508/ref=d_pd_sim_sccl_1_2/133-7652344-2672007?pd_rd_w=om4dI&content-id=amzn1.sym.cea269b5-2b99-44d4-a309-214a6674c0a9&pf_rd_p=cea269b5-2b99-44d4-a309-214a6674c0a9&pf_rd_r=NPTM11KF81KPG4PJ86DT&pd_rd_wg=8sV2T&pd_rd_r=a52fc878-a994-4c54-a90b-149dd3581e30&pd_rd_i=0944379508&psc=1

Radiance3

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Where did you get that. Dear Lord, Ginny is reading different books. Jew came from the name Judah. I know Ginny, you h**e Jews, and me, but i still love you. Jesus said, love one another as I loved you! Judaism came from the name Juda.

By Jeremy Shuback
Learn the Origins of Judaism
Have you ever wondered what are the origins of Judaism? Why are Jews called “Jews”? For some religions, it’s pretty obvious. Christianity is named for Christ and Buddhism for Buddha. But what about Judaism?

Learn how Judaism got its name from Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, who would later become the founding member of the tribe.