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Trump gave Aid and Comfort to the I**********nists---a violation of the 14th Amendment
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Sep 9, 2022 17:39:29   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Randy, you're so wound up you're starting to squeak.

Did you go to the i**********n?


There was not one. Nor did I go to any r**ts, nor have I ever burned anything, attacked anyone, damaged property, or k**led an unarmed woman, whether she was being violent or not.
And YOU are very cavalier about condemning people to death. And yes, that DOES get my bp up some. I am ethically allergic to despicable excuses for human beings.

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Sep 9, 2022 17:49:43   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
While you are not correct, it is a shame the truck driver who tried to drive his 16 wheeler through the crowd on the bridge did have charges dismissed.. such a shame..

As for who was charged for what.. you should look at the whole picture rather then just the part you like..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/07/figures-show-stark-difference-between-arrests-at-dc-black-l***s-m****r-protest-and-arrests-at-capitol-hill/?sh=17551f575706

Figures Show Stark Difference Between Arrests At D.C. Black L***s M****r Protest And Arrests At Capitol Hill

KEY FACTS
Just 52 people were arrested in Washington D.C. Wednesday after Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol and interrupted Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s win.

As officials investigate further, the number is paltry when compared to the arrests made in D.C. during protests for racial justice last summer after G****e F***d was k**led in police custody, with hundreds of people being arrested for unrest-related offenses over the course of a few days.

Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says.

Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says.

On June 1 alone, more than five times the number of people were arrested than on the day the Capitol was stormed, with 289 people booked.

The day before also saw a high number of arrests — 90 — nearly double the number seen on Wednesday.
While you are not correct, it is a shame the truck... (show quote)


Very cute trick, Perm, but it doesn't fly.
Instead of comparing the number arrested at each event, try something meaningful. Something I was very explicit about. Do the same comparison of the number of people ACTUALLY CHARGED and then CONVICTED for the events you list. LOTS of people were arrested during the summer r**ts. The vast VAST majority of them were released the next day with no charges ever filed against them. Including i**********nists (by your definition) and murderers. In contrast, the police have used video, airline tickets, hotel receipts, taxi records, and anything else they can to round up people who attended Trump's 1*6 rally and charge them with anything they can POSSIBLY remotely justify. But after 19 months.....no i**********n charges. Odd.

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Sep 9, 2022 17:50:24   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
permafrost wrote:
While you are not correct, it is a shame the truck driver who tried to drive his 16 wheeler through the crowd on the bridge did have charges dismissed.. such a shame..

As for who was charged for what.. you should look at the whole picture rather then just the part you like..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/07/figures-show-stark-difference-between-arrests-at-dc-black-l***s-m****r-protest-and-arrests-at-capitol-hill/?sh=17551f575706

Figures Show Stark Difference Between Arrests At D.C. Black L***s M****r Protest And Arrests At Capitol Hill

KEY FACTS
Just 52 people were arrested in Washington D.C. Wednesday after Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol and interrupted Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s win.

As officials investigate further, the number is paltry when compared to the arrests made in D.C. during protests for racial justice last summer after G****e F***d was k**led in police custody, with hundreds of people being arrested for unrest-related offenses over the course of a few days.

Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says.

Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says.

On June 1 alone, more than five times the number of people were arrested than on the day the Capitol was stormed, with 289 people booked.

The day before also saw a high number of arrests — 90 — nearly double the number seen on Wednesday.
While you are not correct, it is a shame the truck... (show quote)

You are getting to be very tiresome. There were 910+ people charged for the J6 r**t.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-r**t-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

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Sep 9, 2022 18:30:06   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
JR-57 wrote:
You are getting to be very tiresome. There were 910+ people charged for the J6 r**t.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-r**t-arrests-charges-names-2021-1


That makes about 910 dumbs**ts too many for the world. Useless eaters.

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Sep 9, 2022 18:30:58   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RandyBrian wrote:
There was not one. Nor did I go to any r**ts, nor have I ever burned anything, attacked anyone, damaged property, or k**led an unarmed woman, whether she was being violent or not.
And YOU are very cavalier about condemning people to death. And yes, that DOES get my bp up some. I am ethically allergic to despicable excuses for human beings.


How's your bp today?

I kid and give my opinion. I'm not condemning people to death.

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Sep 9, 2022 20:06:50   #
robertv3
 
permafrost wrote:
when an i**********nist determined to murder the VP and speaker of the house is breaking into the capital of our nation they must be shot.. and shoot to k**l is the order of the day on such and attack.. Byrd only error was to stop pulling the trigger..


I wouldn't go so far as to say _that_.

When (an) i**********nist(s) (or r****r, or wh**ever one calls them) is determined to murder the VP and Speaker of the House is breaking into the Capitol of our nation, or even threatens to do so, then shooting the i**********nist(s) may indeed be necessary. But rather than to merely just "keep pulling the trigger", the responsibly acting police force has to exercise judgment about just how much deadly force is necessary. You can see in video where the police are pointing the gun for a little while before shooting; it's visible through the glass door where r****rs are trying to break in.

It's a risky business either way. A few people ended up dead, mostly among the police officers. It could have been worse. Whether by luck or by sk**l, the police struck a pretty good balance for the situation they found themselves in. I think they would have been justified in k*****g more than they did. I would have preferred to see an additional i**********nist, who is threatening the life of the Vice President, to be k**led, rather than one of the police officers k**led. But it's good that they didn't k**l a _lot_. We still have another option: try them in courts and imprison where necessary.

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Sep 9, 2022 20:12:32   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
Gee, did they have r**ts in Seattle Portland over a murder in Minneapolis.. wow that is great... were you there or did you stay in your safe room?


You ignorant buffoon. You make i***ts look good.

G****e F***d protests in Seattle

The city of Seattle experienced protests over the murder of G****e F***d in 2020 and 2021. Beginning on May 29, 2020, demonstrators took to the streets throughout the city for marches and sit-ins, often of a peaceful nature but which also devolved into r**ts. Participants expressed opposition to s******c r****m, police brutality and violence against people of color.[3]

By June 8, there had been eleven straight days with major protests in Seattle.[4][5][6] The Capitol Hill neighborhood experienced a week-long series of clashes between demonstrators and police near the East Precinct that culminated in the formation of the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) area, after police abandoned the precinct on June 8. The month of June brought further protests including a Black L***s M****r general strike and silent protest march with 60,000 people on June 12 and several actions throughout the city for Juneteenth. The CHOP zone was reclaimed by police on July 1 after two fatal shootings. It was followed by a fatal vehicle collision with protesters on Interstate 5 over the July 4 holiday.[7]
Major protests reemerged in opposition to the deployment of federal law enforcement in the city by the Trump administration.[8] Additional actions occurred on July 19,[9] July 22,[10] and again on July 25, when several businesses were vandalized and five construction trailers were set on fire at a youth jail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Seattle

G****e F***d protests in Portland, Oregon

Starting in May 2020, demonstrations over the police murder of G****e F***d were held in the city of Portland, Oregon, concurrent with protests in other cities in the United States and around the world. By July 2020, many of the protests, which had been held every day since May 28, drew more than 1,000 participants.[2] Protests continued into August, September, and October 2020, often drawing hundreds.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland,_Oregon

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Sep 9, 2022 20:15:28   #
American Vet
 
robertv3 wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say _that_.

When (an) i**********nist(s) (or r****r, or wh**ever one calls them) is determined to murder the VP and Speaker of the House is breaking into the Capitol of our nation, or even threatens to do so, then shooting the i**********nist(s) may indeed be necessary. But rather than to merely just "keep pulling the trigger", the responsibly acting police force has to exercise judgment about just how much deadly force is necessary. You can see in video where the police are pointing the gun for a little while before shooting; it's visible through the glass door where r****rs are trying to break in.

It's a risky business either way. A few people ended up dead, mostly among the police officers. It could have been worse. Whether by luck or by sk**l, the police struck a pretty good balance for the situation they found themselves in. I think they would have been justified in k*****g more than they did. I would have preferred to see an additional i**********nist, who is threatening the life of the Vice President, to be k**led, rather than one of the police officers k**led. But it's good that they didn't k**l a _lot_. We still have another option: try them in courts and imprison where necessary.
I wouldn't go so far as to say _that_. br br When... (show quote)


Sadly for your poor attempt at wordsmithing, there was no 'i**********n'.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fbi-confirms-there-was-no-i**********n-on-january-6

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Sep 9, 2022 22:11:11   #
One Patriot
 
permafrost wrote:
when an i**********nist determined to murder the VP and speaker of the house is breaking into the capital of our nation they must be shot.. and shoot to k**l is the order of the day on such and attack.. Byrd only error was to stop pulling the trigger..


This isn’t the first time you posted this. So, now I am asking you to prove it. Show me (and everybody else) the video of the murdered victim saying that she wanted to k**l the Vice President and the speaker of the house.
Because from what I see, you are either a mind reader or you are parroting what you’ve heard. Please, prove me wrong and show the video of HER saying that SHE wanted to k**l them.

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Sep 9, 2022 22:20:42   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
How's your bp today?

I kid and give my opinion. I'm not condemning people to death.


Words mean things. Did Perm mean his statement? And you heartily agreed with him. Seems pretty clear to me where you both stand.

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Sep 9, 2022 22:27:13   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
robertv3 wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say _that_.

When (an) i**********nist(s) (or r****r, or wh**ever one calls them) is determined to murder the VP and Speaker of the House is breaking into the Capitol of our nation, or even threatens to do so, then shooting the i**********nist(s) may indeed be necessary. But rather than to merely just "keep pulling the trigger", the responsibly acting police force has to exercise judgment about just how much deadly force is necessary. You can see in video where the police are pointing the gun for a little while before shooting; it's visible through the glass door where r****rs are trying to break in.

It's a risky business either way. A few people ended up dead, mostly among the police officers. It could have been worse. Whether by luck or by sk**l, the police struck a pretty good balance for the situation they found themselves in. I think they would have been justified in k*****g more than they did. I would have preferred to see an additional i**********nist, who is threatening the life of the Vice President, to be k**led, rather than one of the police officers k**led. But it's good that they didn't k**l a _lot_. We still have another option: try them in courts and imprison where necessary.
I wouldn't go so far as to say _that_. br br When... (show quote)


With your words you toss out all credibility. Please give the names of the "ended up dead, mostly among police officers". There was NOT A SINGLE PERSON K**LED that day EXCEPT Ms. Bobbitt. Not a one. Several died from natural causes, but none of them were LEOs. To be THIS IGNORANT of the facts after 19 MONTHS crosses the border from ignorant into idiocy. Come back after researching the FACTS and quit relying on the lying OPP l*****ts for information.

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Sep 9, 2022 22:29:54   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
You ignorant buffoon. You make i***ts look good.

G****e F***d protests in Seattle

The city of Seattle experienced protests over the murder of G****e F***d in 2020 and 2021. Beginning on May 29, 2020, demonstrators took to the streets throughout the city for marches and sit-ins, often of a peaceful nature but which also devolved into r**ts. Participants expressed opposition to s******c r****m, police brutality and violence against people of color.[3]

By June 8, there had been eleven straight days with major protests in Seattle.[4][5][6] The Capitol Hill neighborhood experienced a week-long series of clashes between demonstrators and police near the East Precinct that culminated in the formation of the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) area, after police abandoned the precinct on June 8. The month of June brought further protests including a Black L***s M****r general strike and silent protest march with 60,000 people on June 12 and several actions throughout the city for Juneteenth. The CHOP zone was reclaimed by police on July 1 after two fatal shootings. It was followed by a fatal vehicle collision with protesters on Interstate 5 over the July 4 holiday.[7]
Major protests reemerged in opposition to the deployment of federal law enforcement in the city by the Trump administration.[8] Additional actions occurred on July 19,[9] July 22,[10] and again on July 25, when several businesses were vandalized and five construction trailers were set on fire at a youth jail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Seattle

G****e F***d protests in Portland, Oregon

Starting in May 2020, demonstrations over the police murder of G****e F***d were held in the city of Portland, Oregon, concurrent with protests in other cities in the United States and around the world. By July 2020, many of the protests, which had been held every day since May 28, drew more than 1,000 participants.[2] Protests continued into August, September, and October 2020, often drawing hundreds.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland,_Oregon
You ignorant buffoon. You make i***ts look good. b... (show quote)


Not to defend Permafrost, but he is not that ignorant. He just assumes WE are, and that we have no memories. His being an i***t has more to do with his lack of ethics and his TDS.

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Sep 9, 2022 22:43:11   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Words mean things. Did Perm mean his statement? And you heartily agreed with him. Seems pretty clear to me where you both stand.


Yes, pretty clearly I think you're a bunch of nuts that the world would be better of without.

I admit it.

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Sep 10, 2022 05:47:52   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
336Robin wrote:
It's very likely that Donald Trump will be found guilty of a violation of the 14th Amendment.
It would disqualify him as a candidate for President in 2024.



CBS News
Former Trump White House lawyer thinks Trump violated 14th Amendment
Major Garrett
Fri, September 9, 2022 at 6:00 AM

Ty Cobb, who was a White House lawyer during former President Donald Trump's administration, suspects the Justice Department investigation into whether Trump mishandled White House documents — some of them highly classified — is really about a broader inquiry into potential crimes related to the J*** 6, 2021, Capitol r**t and efforts to overturn the 2020 e******n.

"It is about the bigger picture, the J*** 6 issues, the f**e e*****rs, the whole s**m with regard to the 'big lie' and the attempts to…cling to the presidency in a desperate fashion," Cobb said on this week's episode of "The Takeout" podcast.


A clue for Cobb, a former federal prosecutor, was the scope of the warrant authorized to search Trump's Mar-a-Lago compound.

"The search warrant is unusually large and broad," Cobb told CBS chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett. "It's very, very comprehensive in terms of the types of documents that the government could take."

"For example, you can take any box that has a document. You can take any box adjacent to a box that has it," he said. "Those are pretty broad parameters."

Cobb represented the White House during special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into suspected Trump collusion with Russian entities in the runup to the 2016 e******n. That investigation yielded no charges against Trump.

Garrett asked Cobb about his White House experience watching Trump deal with documents – routine or classified.

"The president…was cautioned many times about not tearing up documents," Cobb said. "In my own experience, I have to say, there wasn't really anything quite as consequential as the press reports that I've read. I saw him tear up newspaper articles which sadly, some staffer would have to tape back together at the end of the day. I saw him tear up inconsequential documents, but I never saw him tear up a classified document or something that was important."

As for Trump's legal future, Cobb said he does not believe the documents investigation is the biggest threat.

"I think the president is in serious legal water, not so much because of the search, but because of the obstructive activity he took in connection with the J*** 6 proceeding," Cobb said. "I think that and the attempts to interfere in the e******n count in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania and perhaps Michigan. That was the first time in American history that a president unconstitutionally attempted to remain in power illegally."

Cobb says he thinks the possibility of an indictment against Trump is "very high."

In response to a question about Trump's attempts to deny the outcome of the 2020 e******n and overturn the results, Cobb, based on his extensive working relationship with Trump, said, "I believe former President Trump to be a deeply wounded narcissist, and he is often incapable of acting other than in his perceived self-interest or for revenge," Cobb said. "I think those are the two compelling instincts that guide his actions."

Cobb also thinks that Trump's actions around the J*** 6 attack on the Capitol could lead him to be barred from running for the presidency again.

"There is a simple way to disqualify President Trump," Cobb said. "He clearly violated the 14th Amendment of the Constitution's Article III when he gave aid and comfort and three hours of inaction with regard to what was happening on the grounds of the Capitol. That clearly gave aid and comfort to the i**********nists."
It's very likely that Donald Trump will be found g... (show quote)

Only one little glitch in your article. There. Was. No. I**********n.
Read the FBI investigation final report.
Following is a quote from one of your like minded kindred spirits.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the t***h is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the t***h is the greatest enemy of the State.” | Joseph Goebbels

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Sep 10, 2022 06:26:38   #
Rose42
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Yes, pretty clearly I think you're a bunch of nuts that the world would be better of without.

I admit it.


You wish others dead over differring opinions. And you call others nuts.

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