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Aug 4, 2022 15:40:35   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
microphor wrote:
No, most of us conservatives just don't want assembly line a******ns as a means of birth control.


Exactly

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Aug 4, 2022 16:51:25   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
Not enough polite negative adjectives? You can't come up with one example of what you're blabbering about.


How about the fact that you support Marxist c*******t Democrats who want to control every aspect of your life?? How about the fact that you support Democrats who have allowed 1000s of I******S into this country?? You want me to 'blabber' on??

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Aug 4, 2022 16:53:22   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
Agreed. I think some of the anti-choice folks here are just struggling with the fact that THEY are the one's depending on the government to overrule the will of the people, which is precisely what the recent Supreme Court decision did.


The real reason for the SCOTUS decision went right over your head!!!

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Aug 4, 2022 16:56:53   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
martsiva wrote:
The real reason for the SCOTUS decision went right over your head!!!

And F**kedUp thinks he's so clever...NOT!!!

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Aug 4, 2022 17:03:19   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
straightUp wrote:
That statement has no basis. Medicine is based on biology and nowhere in biology will you find the definition of a person. And to suggest psychology has anything to do with it is absurd. Psychology is a guessing game based on interviews with patients. Show me a fetus having an interview with a psychologist and I'll stop laughing.

Whether an embryo is a person or not is left up to our conflicting views. Religious views depend on assumptions made in scripture... For the Christians, a person is created at conception. The Jews believe what Kevyn said, to them it's the first draw of breath, which doesn't happen until birth. For scientifically-minded people like myself and maybe Kevyn too, we see pregnancy like any other type of biological t***sform where it takes some time to go from a divided cell to a person.

None of us have absolute claim on the t***h as much as each of us thinks we do.
That statement has no basis. Medicine is based on ... (show quote)

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Aug 4, 2022 17:04:58   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
straightUp wrote:
That statement has no basis. Medicine is based on biology and nowhere in biology will you find the definition of a person. And to suggest psychology has anything to do with it is absurd. Psychology is a guessing game based on interviews with patients. Show me a fetus having an interview with a psychologist and I'll stop laughing.

Whether an embryo is a person or not is left up to our conflicting views. Religious views depend on assumptions made in scripture... For the Christians, a person is created at conception. The Jews believe what Kevyn said, to them it's the first draw of breath, which doesn't happen until birth. For scientifically-minded people like myself and maybe Kevyn too, we see pregnancy like any other type of biological t***sform where it takes some time to go from a divided cell to a person.

None of us have absolute claim on the t***h as much as each of us thinks we do.
That statement has no basis. Medicine is based on ... (show quote)



There are undeniable t***hs and, as an osteopathic physician, I am familiar with embryology, biochemistry, and biology that I had to study in undergraduate school and later in medical school. I also had 21 points toward a master's degree in math.

There are only three undeniable points in the development of a fetus; conception, implantation and birth. All others are arbitrary. To maintain that psychology has nothing to do with it is monumentally ignorant of the hormonal reality of pregnancy.

The joy of pregnancy is a result of multiple hormones in the blood stream. Medially, there are two types of a******ns.; natural or spontaneous; spontaneous is commonly called a miscarriage and induced, what we commonly call a******n.


With the spontaneous, the body usually senses that something is wrong with the pregnancy for a time before the event and begins hormonal changes, to prepare the woman. It is stills damaging psychologically and women often need treatment for months or even years later. Sometimes it is so bad that the woman needs institutionalization!

In the sudden end of pregnancy through physical trauma, such as an MVA or induced a******n, the sequelae are much worse. The body has not had time to prepare for the interruption and the changes are far more abrupt resulting in even worse problems.

Women do not emerge from a******ns smiling. A******n results in no happiness, despite the greatest efforts of pro-a******ners to make it seem like a simple tooth extraction or other minor surgery. Women know what has happened to them and it stays with them for the rest of their lives.

The Catholic Church has developed a group called Rachel’s Vineyard to help women who have had a******ns deal with the effects that have lasted years, even decades. So now, try to tell us it’s benign and that psychology has nothing to do with it.

Now tell me when to stop laughing.

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Aug 4, 2022 17:10:27   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
jimpack123 wrote:
Roe vs Wade will mean more blue v**es in November, but the Trumpsters will cry fraud again lol


Your presumption is all women blue v**ers disagree with the Dobbs decision. You may find that an error in thinking.

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Aug 4, 2022 17:12:49   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Not common sense! Prob c***t and if not backslidden


it is people like you you make more people v**e blue haven't had a decent GOP since Lincoln

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Aug 4, 2022 17:21:52   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
There are undeniable t***hs and, as an osteopathic physician, I am familiar with embryology, biochemistry, and biology that I had to study in undergraduate school and later in medical school. I also had 21 points toward a master's degree in math.

There are only three undeniable points in the development of a fetus; conception, implantation and birth. All others are arbitrary. To maintain that psychology has nothing to do with it is monumentally ignorant of the hormonal reality of pregnancy.

The joy of pregnancy is a result of multiple hormones in the blood stream. Medially, there are two types of a******ns.; natural or spontaneous; spontaneous is commonly called a miscarriage and induced, what we commonly call a******n.


With the spontaneous, the body usually senses that something is wrong with the pregnancy for a time before the event and begins hormonal changes, to prepare the woman. It is stills damaging psychologically and women often need treatment for months or even years later. Sometimes it is so bad that the woman needs institutionalization!

In the sudden end of pregnancy through physical trauma, such as an MVA or induced a******n, the sequelae are much worse. The body has not had time to prepare for the interruption and the changes are far more abrupt resulting in even worse problems.

Women do not emerge from a******ns smiling. A******n results in no happiness, despite the greatest efforts of pro-a******ners to make it seem like a simple tooth extraction or other minor surgery. Women know what has happened to them and it stays with them for the rest of their lives.

The Catholic Church has developed a group called Rachel’s Vineyard to help women who have had a******ns deal with the effects that have lasted years, even decades. So now, try to tell us it’s benign and that psychology has nothing to do with it.

Now tell me when to stop laughing.
There are undeniable t***hs and, as an osteopathic... (show quote)


Thank you. I know a woman who was forced to have an a******n at age 15. She has never been the same mentally or emotionally. She even looks different it changed her affect

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Aug 4, 2022 17:28:23   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
microphor wrote:
Thank you. I know a woman who was forced to have an a******n at age 15. She has never been the same mentally or emotionally. She even looks different it changed her affect


Tell me was she forced to have sex?

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Aug 4, 2022 18:20:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

A******n is an effect, it is a symptom of an underlying cause.
Do you have any idea of what caused a******n to become state sponsored industrialized genocide?
straightUp wrote:
You actually have it backwards. Roe v Wade simply said the government has no right to interfere and here you are implying the opposite. How can a government make a decision on something it's not even allowed to interfere with? It's actually, the so-called "pro-life" advocacy that is handing the authority to make decisions to the government through anti-a******n laws.

So you totally have it backwards.
Put a sock in it, ya narcissistic fool.
Backwards, my ass. A cause is not the result of an effect.
You're skating blind on the ice in all directions with your ego in both hands and your asshole in the other.
You have no clue what lies beneath the surface.

What caused women who had no desire to raise children to get pregnant?
What caused the government to get involved in a******n in the first place?
What caused SCOTUS to issue an unconstitutional ruling that opened the doors for the k*****g of unborn babies to grow into a billion dollar industry?
What caused that industry to capitalize on the k*****g of the unborn and put the remains on sale for experimentation in genetic medical research?
What caused the researchers to shun any sense of morality and begin grotesque experiments such as fusing the skulls of aborted babies onto the backs of lab rats?
If the unborn baby's life was worthless, what caused the hair on the fused skulls to grow?
What caused Doktor Fauxi to authorize NIAID grants for such immoral research?

straightUp wrote:
Secondly, the victims have to be people and this is the part you folks never get. In the the case of most regulated a******ns performed by qualified doctors the a******n happens before the embryo becomes a person. Convince me that an embryo in the first trimester is a person and you won't even need any of your other arguments, until then there's no point.
American College of Pediatricians – March 2017

ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created.

As physicians dedicated both to scientific t***h and to the Hippocratic tradition, the College values all human lives equally from the moment of conception (fertilization) until natural death. Consistent with its mission to “enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being,” the College, therefore, opposes active measures that would prematurely end the life of any child at any stage of development from conception to natural death.


My "side" on this issue is not a political party platform or some abstract construct, my "side" is human dignity and our God given right to Life.
Humanity! I'm on the "side" of Humanity.

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straightup wrote:
This is the fundamental disconnect between us that invalidates all the arguments either of of us have from each other's perspective.

The "fundamental disconnect" is between the over-weaning p***e in the intellectual prowess of an arrogant hypocrite
and a human heart.

What "side" are you on? Your "side" can say anything it wants, words can mean anything you want them to mean, your "side" can do anything it wants to do with absolutely no regard for the consequences. Your "side"refuses accountability, your "side" will accept no responsibility for anything it says or does. When your "side" says or does something proven to be wrong, your "side" blames the other "side".

Blade_Runner wrote:
A******n dismembers, starves to death and crushes the skulls of around 885 babies in the womb every working day in the UK. In 2020, in Great Britain, 224,675 babies were k**led brutally in the womb. The World Health Organisation estimates that between 2015 and 2019, on average, 73.3 million a******ns occurred worldwide each year.
straightUp wrote:
What is being described here are the a******ns that occur where there is no access to qualified reproductive healthcare. In the UK, they do not crush the skulls of babies... the author is conflating different stories into his own dramatic narrative. In the UK, qualified doctors perform early-term a******ns. In Afghanistan where a******n is not permitted, women are brutally k*****g near birth babies out of desperation.

Once again, YOUR side, not mine is encouraging this reality.
The methods of a******n in the UK are no different than those here in the US or any other developed nation. There is no restriction on what stage of a pregnancy an a******n can be performed, including partial birth.
The mention of a******n in a country ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization is a totally irrelevant deflection.

The remains of unborn babies shown here are examples of a******ns carried out in registered, PPH approved a******n clinics and hospitals. These photos were not taken in some back alley dump in a 3rd world country, they were collected by pro-Life organizations such as Wisconsin Right to Life and Priests for Life, most likely from PPH archives.











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Aug 4, 2022 18:29:42   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The methods of a******n in the UK are no different than those here in the US or any other developed nation. There is no restriction on what stage of a pregnancy an a******n can be performed, including partial birth.
The mention of a******n in a country ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization is a totally irrelevant deflection.

The remains of unborn babies shown here are examples of a******ns carried out in registered, PPH approved a******n clinics and hospitals. These photos were not taken in some back alley dump in a 3rd world country, they were collected by pro-Life organizations such as Wisconsin Right to Life and Priests for Life, most likely from PPH archives.
The methods of a******n in the UK are no different... (show quote)



You should send these pictures directly to straightup and the rest of the pro-a******ners ot OPP.

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Aug 4, 2022 19:31:55   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
jimpack123 wrote:
Tell me was she forced to have sex?


No she wasn't, but step dad said a******n or you're out of here. Back then, about 25 yrs ago, there were services that could have helped her if she had support and could to get her there, but she didnt.

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Aug 4, 2022 19:35:03   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
microphor wrote:
No she wasn't, but step dad said a******n or you're out of here. Back then, about 25 yrs ago, there were services that could have helped her if she had support and could to get her there, but she didnt.


was there a spelling class also

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Aug 4, 2022 20:21:22   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
There are undeniable t***hs and, as an osteopathic physician, I am familiar with embryology, biochemistry, and biology that I had to study in undergraduate school and later in medical school. I also had 21 points toward a master's degree in math.

There are only three undeniable points in the development of a fetus; conception, implantation and birth. All others are arbitrary. To maintain that psychology has nothing to do with it is monumentally ignorant of the hormonal reality of pregnancy.

The joy of pregnancy is a result of multiple hormones in the blood stream. Medially, there are two types of a******ns.; natural or spontaneous; spontaneous is commonly called a miscarriage and induced, what we commonly call a******n.


With the spontaneous, the body usually senses that something is wrong with the pregnancy for a time before the event and begins hormonal changes, to prepare the woman. It is stills damaging psychologically and women often need treatment for months or even years later. Sometimes it is so bad that the woman needs institutionalization!

In the sudden end of pregnancy through physical trauma, such as an MVA or induced a******n, the sequelae are much worse. The body has not had time to prepare for the interruption and the changes are far more abrupt resulting in even worse problems.

Women do not emerge from a******ns smiling. A******n results in no happiness, despite the greatest efforts of pro-a******ners to make it seem like a simple tooth extraction or other minor surgery. Women know what has happened to them and it stays with them for the rest of their lives.

The Catholic Church has developed a group called Rachel’s Vineyard to help women who have had a******ns deal with the effects that have lasted years, even decades. So now, try to tell us it’s benign and that psychology has nothing to do with it.

Now tell me when to stop laughing.
There are undeniable t***hs and, as an osteopathic... (show quote)


As one doc to another, I know it is a thing to be avoided. It crushes the spirit ate weighs heavy upon the souls, consciousness, of all who do it.

They never forget and they never forgive, themselves.

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