debeda

[quote=Ranger7374]If you ever read St Augustine's [i] City of God [\i] or his [i] Confessions [\i] you would understand that God allows good to come from evil to come from good and so on. The purpose of this ying/yang is to advance the human condition.

Going back to 2016, none of the candidates had enough fortitude to overcome the forces of the left and Hillary Clinton except one person...Donald Trump.

Each challenger was too weak in one way or another. One thing about Trump that can be said is he didn't sic the department of justice and go after Clinton. But she went after him, which is an interesting turn of events.

After the e******n of 2016, he even thanked her for a challenging e******n. But perhaps none on the left remember that because it was all drowned away by Russian Collusion, the Mueller report and impeachment thereafter.

So let me look at the here and now, the Dems lose and they, for four years resist the president that is elected. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Here we are now nearly six years later, is it right for Maga and the Republicans to resist in the same manner Joe Biden and the Democrats?

We are Americans and we should turn the other cheek, even if your horse lost the e******n, we all should find ways of working together afterwards.

I accepted that Trump lost in 2020 mostly, but I still question the contest not the results. If I change the rules halfway in then I can control the outcome and that's where I believe the theft and c***ting went on. It is here that the microscope of the government should focus, not on Trump. But since the states certified the b****ts and the e*****rial college was certified, the e******n is over and we have to right or wrong, have to live with the results. We all can agree on that. But there is a loophole in this, that if such evidence is found that challenges the results and it is strong enough to show malice in the outcome, then this issue must be revisited and reexamined.

That's what I hoped the J** 6 c*******e would do. That's not what they are doing, thus thier actions are unjust. If it turns out that Joe won fair and square then so be it. If it turns out Don won fair and square then so be it. But we must prove that the win was not done with malice or a result of malice.

Doubt arises when that's the case. We all know that Trump believed there was malice and so do I and many of Don's supporters believe the same. So why can't we all investigate it, instead of blaming one man fueled by anger and not justice?

It all boils down to the e******n itself, not Donald Trump. That's where the issue is. But if we must go down the path of character assassination then.....[/quote]

Well said👍👍

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Thank you

Haski123

So does the devil, I never heard where God or Jesus (whom you reference Trump was guided, blessed by,) demeaned others(veterans, generals, handicapped, women, minorities), bad mouthed others, called people that don’t agree with him names, defame and attack dissenter, encourages violence. His direction appears to come more from Satan than God. Both are examples of leaders.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Read the lives of the saints....and if that ain't enough you should read the life of Saul, first king of Israel and why David k**led those who k**led Saul.

There is more, even Peter and Paul's attitude toward each other as well as toward Rome and Judah.

Other examples include the feud of 1800 or Jefferson vs Adams and the death of Hamilton.

Others also include Lincoln, Grant and Sherman. Truman and Roosevelt. There are more.

Look at Davey Crockett's Congressional record and Sam Houston's journals.

In every Age from the dawn of man, the most righteous seemed to his peers as one guided by Satan.

Christ even scolded Peter by saying, "Get behind me Satan...."

God works in mysterious ways, and sometimes he needs a warrior like David or an elegant wise man like Solomon and everything in-between.

Humanity has been questioning this, St Augustine questioned it and came to the full conclusion that out of good comes evil and out of evil comes good. Therefore, the beauty of the human person is shown.

Standing on the side of God is thus, a blessing and a curse. But to stand anywhere else is to fall into evil.

Haski123

I kinda agree with you about standing by the side of God, but you say God chose Trump you may be right but Trump Is standing with Satan. His character has faith only in himself. I would not support any person with Trumps character.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Now I've heard that said before that "His character has faith only in himself"
Do you blame him? After being falsely accused and having to go through, oh I don't remember how many attorney General's?

And again do you blame him, since many who worked for him, ran to the press after either being fired or were so called whistle blowers.

If you were in Trump's position, and the events that happened to Trump happened to you.... how would you feel? What would you do?

What would you do? I would turn irrational, but that's the worse I'd do. But what would others do?

Now on the other side of that, Trump's own family would be upset too. But we all know how most of us would be, just ask Madonna and Miley Cyrus.

Or perhaps you would be like Johnny Depp? What if it was you the liberals wanted out of office? How would you be?

It is possible that Trump did it as peaceful as he could, considering his character. It is also possible, that he could have done much worse but didn't.

If lies were being spread all over the papers about you, your family, and your party....what would you do?

Now you may not be as brazen as Trump was, but nonetheless how would you handle it? And would there be a J** 6th hearing on you too? Where after two impeachments, they still spread lies. Look at Trump as if you are in his place, then understand that the man.

If you would have done what Trump did or worse, I'm not lying, I would have been worse, then you are normal. If you answered that "I'd just give up and resign" I'd call you a liar or your just patronizing me or yourself.

Thats why this h**e for six years is so underneath us as Americans, that it's pathetic. But the games continue. Blame Trump like they blamed Henry Mudd. Sick.

debeda

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Haski123

Trump had selected his staff, they were the best and will do great was his words ! His administration has the most indictments and convictions by far of ant past President. He chose these people himself and also had the highest turnover( people quitting or being fired by him of ant President.As a President he has brought most of this on himself.you discuss all the lies: Trump made +30,000 lies or miss statements during his time in office. To say he handled it as peacefully as he could . He was elected to the highest office in the USA and should be able to handle criticism. Instead he handled it like his show the apprentice. He has demonstrated he knows it all so he doesn’t have to research stuff or listen to his staff and advisors, making his own decisions- he created most of his own issues. He lost e******n as majority of people and states had enough of him and saw his character flaws. He did help drive the biggest e******n v**er turnout ever- then lost v**e to majority that fired him from office.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

In theory, this narrative appears adequate and accurate, in describing Trump's administration and his four years in the office. However, you lack putting yourself in Trump's place and understand the emotion Trump was going through .....remember, Trump is not a God.

You described a leader whose control was described as control from a dictator or a c*******t leader. And if this is the description you ascribe to then you don't understand Trump's leadership style nor do you understand his strictness of that style.

But that's okay., You didn't have sister Catherine as your teacher growing up....lol ...you can learn from leaders like Trump. They fight like hell for you and they keep you on your toes...keeping you sharp. That's part of the Trump dynamics that is lost in all the arguments.

People who are strict like Trump never cross the line into abuse, although the victim of his criticism may feel abused, in reality they lose nothing. Now when entering the realm of politics, the losing party always pays. So there may have been some who were expelled from Trump's administration that have lost everything. But the vast majority have gained...like Sara Sanders and Kayleigh McEnany both went forward with better careers. So the strictness of Trump is not bad.

As far as the lies you referred to do describe. You stated 30,000 + yet you failed to mention the lie. As far as the comment he won the e******n, he may have but this poor excuse of a committee buried any reality of the t***h of the day it's named for or the e******n it represents.

If we are blind eye to the way the b****ts were certified, then we may have turned a blind eye on the fraud. So it is not without merit that a citizen can assume wrong doing. But these challenges were swept under the rug and remain unanswered. As a result we don't know what we have.

So the allegations against Trump are meritless but the circumstances are not. For this reason a true unbiased investigation needs to be done.

federally indicted mattoid

Interesting questions rangerdanger.

Had you ever v**ed during a p******c before? I hadn't. Mail-in was a convenient alternative. Going to continue doing so.

Would you have made it more difficult to v**e, or more accessible, during a p******c for your constituents if you were in an elected office?

You seem to think about these things. Please share.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

no, the C***D p******c was my first however, I did experience in Desert Storm panic, and it is that experience I draw from in handling a p******c.



What I would have done was made the v****g process as painless as possible for the v**er at the same time verify the v**ers identity.

This can be easily accomplished by making the v**er id card be the same as your driver's license or state id. Most state ids have a readable bar strip. And they should be connected in the system with a birth certificate and social security number. This, by running the barcode it identifies the person.

Then the closed network system can identify citizenship and you would be able to v**e. Each v**er will receive a website or phone number to use to place thier v**e. So you could v**e at home or in the v****g booth but not both. There are more sophisticated ways but this is just one solution. It is necessary to identify the v**er before counting the v**e.

But yes I would change the system to utilize the technology, but at the same time make it more secure.

V**er id, is necessary, however, it should be connected to the ids already in place.

To gen the results would come in quickly. The phone numbers would be only available from 8am to 10 pm on e******n day for the v**er. After 10, the incoming server shuts down. Not allowing more v**es to be cast.

A system like this is virtually impossible to hack. But we would need some brilliant IT professionals working on it to fully secure the system. By using a different phone number for each person, it makes it harder to hack, and by scanning the id even harder.

But that's what I would do.

Shandel

[quote=Ranger7374]If you ever read St Augustine's [i] City of God [\i] or his [i] Confessions [\i] you would understand that God allows good to come from evil to come from good and so on. The purpose of this ying/yang is to advance the human condition.

Going back to 2016, none of the candidates had enough fortitude to overcome the forces of the left and Hillary Clinton except one person...Donald Trump.

Each challenger was too weak in one way or another. One thing about Trump that can be said is he didn't sic the department of justice and go after Clinton. But she went after him, which is an interesting turn of events.

After the e******n of 2016, he even thanked her for a challenging e******n. But perhaps none on the left remember that because it was all drowned away by Russian Collusion, the Mueller report and impeachment thereafter.

So let me look at the here and now, the Dems lose and they, for four years resist the president that is elected. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Here we are now nearly six years later, is it right for Maga and the Republicans to resist in the same manner Joe Biden and the Democrats?

We are Americans and we should turn the other cheek, even if your horse lost the e******n, we all should find ways of working together afterwards.

I accepted that Trump lost in 2020 mostly, but I still question the contest not the results. If I change the rules halfway in then I can control the outcome and that's where I believe the theft and c***ting went on. It is here that the microscope of the government should focus, not on Trump. But since the states certified the b****ts and the e*****rial college was certified, the e******n is over and we have to right or wrong, have to live with the results. We all can agree on that. But there is a loophole in this, that if such evidence is found that challenges the results and it is strong enough to show malice in the outcome, then this issue must be revisited and reexamined.

That's what I hoped the J** 6 c*******e would do. That's not what they are doing, thus thier actions are unjust. If it turns out that Joe won fair and square then so be it. If it turns out Don won fair and square then so be it. But we must prove that the win was not done with malice or a result of malice.

Doubt arises when that's the case. We all know that Trump believed there was malice and so do I and many of Don's supporters believe the same. So why can't we all investigate it, instead of blaming one man fueled by anger and not justice?

It all boils down to the e******n itself, not Donald Trump. That's where the issue is. But if we must go down the path of character assassination then.....[/quote]

Maybe the J6th committee found no there…there like Barr and so many recounts and investigations and after all it would not change the facts of the attack on the Capitol and and the death and destruction. Which is what their job is to do. When Gore challenged the h*****g chads he was VP and could have done what Trump wanted Pence to do. People were angry and thought the e******n was “ stolen” but once the Court ruled in Bush’s favor Gore conceded and a peaceful t******r of p***r took place! Sure to this day some people who can remember will always question it. There was no brutal attack on our Capitol most people accepted it and got on with life. Time heals if you let it. In my mind There is no justification for the Capitol attack …..peaceful protest at the Capitol yes. Trying to tear it apart no!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

There was only one death at the capital one J** 6, and that was the death of an aid worker. She was shot by c*****l p****e, so where's all the death?

Shandel

Only 4 died at the Maga Scumbag r**t ..a couple more the following day. No one should have died because Trump lied.

Haski123

Four people in the crowd died during the J6 assault on the capital. One shot, two due to cardiovascular issues & one due to an overdose. Three others died shortly after, and two added suicides later. All participated in J6 assault in some manner. The names and exact causes can be searched at J6 deaths on internet.