America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Well now ASSHOLE I never stated even one time I do not believe in God....however, I do BELIEVE you are an ASSHOLE....and why are you NOT an ASSHOLE? Lets see, no you are one...no defending it.

You don't believe or follow the Bible nor Christ's teachings. You are totally condemned to hell. You serve "two masters" and from the indication the Bible says, you cannot serve two masters and make it to heaven.....so keep on sucking on Obama's penis and tell anyone else how they are in a problem of being saved.....you maggot azz l***h.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Morning AO!

Good to see you are feeling strong today!

I needed to read something like that, reminds me of a good, old fashioned brotherly tiff.

I appreciate your choice of adjectives this morning, they have made me spit out my coffee everywhere!

God bless and have a great day!

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you Rock,

I find that in the case of animals, because I have worked for years in animal rescue, that given an opportunity and room an animal will accept kindness and you can earn their trust. In all my years, and I have dealt with some animals that were called vicious and were put on unadoptable list, I have never been bitten, attacked, or assaulted. But, I always respect the fact that they are animals.

Humans......well, let us just say that I have met my fair share of feral humans that no amount of love or kindness will do any good. Their intelligence, their past experiences, and their inability to respect keep them unlovable.

Humans can not be fixed by others. Humans can only elect to fix themselves. All the good will in the world, all the kindness, all the love, or attention can not help an individual unless they are willing to accept and adapt. Exercise self control and earn respect.

I can not speak on a personal level why marriages fail. I had a wonderful husband and only his death parted us. He still lives within my heart. I would bore you with our last day, but I will not. His death was sudden. Enough said. We lasted, not because of the notion of perfect love. We lasted because of respect. One can not love without first earning and giving respect.

Likewise, I do not know why children leave home. My biological sons live within a stone's through from me. My adopted kids live within a few miles..... and I still live within a mile of my parent's home. So, leaving home for my people is temporary. Even my newly adopted daughter talks about when she finishes school that she wants to live in our town. One could argue that this is due mostly to our religion, I say it has more to do with finding pleasure in each other's company.

I did enjoy your comments and found that you do have valid points that I need to think about more carefully. And, although I can appreciate your view.....love is not the key, respect is the key because without it, there can be no true and lasting love.

I will not go into my opinion of those who are disrespectful...that is a study all in itself. Enough to say that disrespect for one's self is reflected in the way they treat others. And being a door mat for another is being disrespectful to one's self.

greyfox Loc: western mass.

So just what are you trying to say????

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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And you tell me I don't believe or follow the Bible. From your response, I see you attend Westboro Baptist Church. Which sign do you hold up? "God h**es f*ggots!," or "Soldiers burn in hell!" You demonstrate the true followers of Christ? Yea, right. You wouldn't know Jesus if He was sitting beside you. Given your propensity to reference sucking penises, you must have a lot of first-hand knowledge on the subject. I believe the term Pharisee best describes you.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Great post ginny, thank you!

You indeed have added another variable or two into the equation, that being things that are earned and respect.

How do we earn trust with animals? You say by earning it and I will have to agree. Through your patient love shown to them, in time they came to trust you and, that you meant them no harm.

People are a whole lot more complex than animals but, I believe the basic needs on many levels are the same. People and animals must first have their comfort needs met before they can ever be reached. Both need food or love doesn't have much value. Shelter is also necessary because the world is a hard place. You can give a dog a bone or a street person a dollar in a blizzard and, even though they might appreciate the gesture, they will not love you for it.

Now repeating the provision of comforts to animals earns you their trust and, eventually that may even turn into love and affection back to the giver.

People are different in that, they will never love what they can not respect. We might respect authority but, that does not mean that we love it or the one who gives it. Let's look at that verse from 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 again,

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the t***h. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

You want to get respect, you have to give it too. Dishonoring someone shows contempt and, that will never gain love or trust if you are guilty of that, right?

I believe that people come in two flavors, cinnamon and fresh winter mint. Okay, I'm teasing you. People are really either good or evil by nature. You might find a feral human to be what I would classify as an evil person. Evil people do love but, mostly just themselves. Other people's needs do not concern them and, though they will accept love and kindness, they think people that give it are suckers. They are a waste of time.

People can be sorted by what they say but, mostly by what they do... their deeds (fruits) are how you determine what kind of tree they are or, how they are known.

You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.…

~Mathew 7:16-17

If you are born evil, is it a hopeless case for anyone? I will tell you what God says about it,

Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

~John 3:3

Nifty trick huh? A second chance, to be born again and do it right the next time. You can't ask for better than that, can you? It does depend on the individual to "fix" themselves. The self-control comes after a new spirit is quickened or, made alive within you. It isn't yours, it's God's this time and, you never earned it, it is a gift of love or commonly referred to as salvation.

So, love is the key ginny.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

~John 3:16

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

~1 John 4:8

Trees, fruit, love and trust. You must first decide if a person is a child of God or, at least receptive to love or, not. If you do not judge this rightly or at all, then you're taken a mighty big chance and, no one is to blame but yourself for the consequences.

You can not love what you don't respect and, you can not respect what you do not love. This is the key. Love is a gift we give to each other. Our choice is to whom and when if ever. So, I agree respect is involved, it just isn't the key. Can you see my point?

I do not agree a relationship is founded on mutual respect. That might work in the military but, personal relationships require more than that, much, much more.

Love creates in us the ability to respect another. If the loves goes, the relationship will also. I'm sorry for your loss ginny, I can not imagine how you feel that loss everyday.

You say, "One can not love without first earning and giving respect". God says LOVE does not dishonor (disrespect). It is not respect that gives love.

With respect given, it is returned, provided it is given with love in a personal relationship. You can respect the POTUS, your in-laws, law enforcement or their agents but, never love them or, be given love in return, even if they respect you back.

The reason children leave home can be found in the Book of Genesis.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

~Genesis 2:24

Leaving home is leaving parents, not a location ginny. When a person leaves parental authority and control, no matter where they live geographically, they have left home...

Now, if you can read what I laboriously took the time to tell you and, still believe respect trumps love, I will concede the point, for there is nothing more that I could say to convince you otherwise.

Be well and God bless!

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RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Howdy AB!

I see you have retorted and, you guys are keeping me howling. I'm just glad I'm an atheist, I just do not understand love (I'm teasing of course)!

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I had prepared a response, then read your response to another....

I respect your ideas on this matter. Thank you for your response.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Really??? And you lecture me complete with scriptures on love..... Well, so much for that!

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

I now totally understand you when you told me, humor just flies over your head ginny. Did you not read the "(I'm teasing...)" or, did you just rush to judgment and jump to a conclusion?

I did not lecture, it's a shame you saw it as that. If you can not recognize t***h when you see it, then I can not do anymore to try and open your eyes.

And, so much for that!

God bless!

Just sayin'...

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

I love your respect!

Thank you dear lady...

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RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Howdy grey!

I think rumi is speechless, so just go back and admire the biker chicks, you will get much more out of that...

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you Rumitoid for your remarks. Again, as I told you last year, I do not need for you to open my eyes. But, thank you for trying, even under a different name!

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

I can take many things of a cruel and harsh nature ginny...

What I will never stand for, not in this world or, the world to come, is for somebody to call me rumi... That's is just plain cruel and unusual punishment and, it's against the law too!

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I hope you will respect me and, if you do... I will just love you for it!

God bless.

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thedrakester

You guys need to kiss and make up.