rumitoid

There are no easy answers, there are no feel good beliefs.It takes a phenomenal effort each moment not to be led astray. Every moment!. Many settle into bunkers, Many settle into what plays in our political forums. Both are wrong.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Being alone isn't so bad rumi, providing you are right and, have the convictions to stand alone but, who ever likes to be convicted, right?

May I inquire as to WTF (What The Flip) you are referring to? My comments to you now prove one thing, people are seldom alone, unless they choose to be. I didn't see the door latched so I rambled on in.

Who are the many? Where are the bunkers, I might need to find one if Ebola keeps spreading.

No feel good beliefs... ? Well, I'm not to sure about that my friend.

What's wrong is your avatar, you ride alone rumi and, I have to wonder if it's not by choice?

I picked up a pair of these when I got my bike, so I'm never alone. No, not the two beauties rumi, even though they are quite magnificent all by themselves, I meant a pair of helmets so I only need to ride alone when I feel like it.

You really ought to try it!

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Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Hello Rock,

There are many people who claim to be alone even when they are in a room crowded with people. This has always mystified me, but I came to the conclusion that they elect to be alone because they feel a need to be guarded about revealing anything about themselves, because someone might catch on to how little they have going on in their lives and even less to offer to any kind of relationship. The other part of this that has always made me scratch my head in wonder, when people do try to befriend such a person that individual does everything to alienate, criticize, push away, scorn, denounce, berate, and otherwise shove friendship or hope of such into the toilet and they flush often. And then to gain sympathy, they make posts about being picked on, how they are only human, how people turn against them. What they do not see, people did not turn it is they that pushed away friendship for the comfort of anonymity. Thinking being, you can only be hurt if you allow people in.

Why are people this way? I have no clue, it could be that they are born insecure and never mature or learn to trust. Could be from trauma, being hit in the head. Brain damage. Chemical imbalances...any number of medical or emotional issues. But, what is known is these types of individuals can only maintain a relationship as long as they are the center of attention and no one dares to question their position or decisions. Marriages always end in divorce because of the subservient position the spouse find themselves and the often physical abuse associated with the antisocial behavior. These people also most often are possessive, making life with them impossible. And sadly, if children are born in the relationship the child (ern) abandons the family as quickly as they can either by early marriage or running away from home. A high percentage of these personality types turn to alcohol or drugs to escape their self-imposed isolation from others. In the end, the person is miserable because they could not handle a relationship; they blame their partner or children for leaving, for their own addictions. The perceived abandonment brings its own baggage, which complicates the initial insecurities or antisocial behavior, and the cycle does not end. Bottom-line, these people die alone wondering why they are alone.

They never awaken to the fact that only they have a key, they can chose another way of living to replace existence.

rumitoid

You are, to my best estimation, a good man. I am not. I have never been part of anything. Had several track scholarships out of HS yet never felt part of the track team. I think, not bind.

rumitoid

As you are diagnosing me, I felt okay to respond. Yes and no on your assessment.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

No. Not diagnosing you just stating facts, if you find them applicable to you then you are diagnosing yourself. If you have diagnosed yourself, then get out your phone and search for a good therapist who can help you. However, if none of it applies to you, then it is just provided as information only and in generalities based on research of noted psychotherapists.

rumitoid

Thank you.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Great comments ginny!

I always like to acknowledge t***h when I hear or read it and, your post has many of them through and through.

I agree with you that aloneness can be a forced or even fated event but, also it can be a self-imposed sentence for many reasons. Just as there are headshy horses, there are peopleshy people and, trust is at the center in both or, loss of it I mean.

People, like any animal, is a complex sum total of life experiences. People can become guarded for a variety of reasons but at the end of the day, it comes down to losing trust or faith in either others, themselves or maybe both?

You can no more force yourself on a person, than you can an animal. They will either sense safety and come all by themselves or, sense danger and stay in the shadows. All the coxing and promises of kindness will do little to change either one's mind. The choice is made by the individual and is in noway a reflection of anything, other than how reality is being seen through another's eyes.

Trying to analyze motives for behavior is what makes paychecks for those in a certain professions, whether it's in psychiatry or veterinary disciplines. Both of these professions can help with understanding but, do very little to fix anything because they do not have the necessary cure most times and, that is just love.

I do not know rumi at all, so I'm sure he can not view anything I may write as being directed at him personally. I enjoy what this topic is turning into and that, is constructive discussion of trust and love.

Cruelty, anger, h**e and abuse might be the causes for distrust and loss of faith but, love and kindness will always be the cure.

I really love this from 1 Corinthians 13:4-7,

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the t***h. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

I get the chills anytime I read that, because it is t***h. You can see the symbiotic relationship that exists between love and trust. Take away one and the other naturally goes with it. They are conjoined twins, indivisible and, different sides of the same coin.

Marriages fail for the same reasons people do, they either weren't ever founded in love or, love quickly faded in either. That paves the way for everything of which you write.

Children leave home and family for as many reasons as there are grains of sand on a beach. If self-abuse occurs at anytime, it is because that person has stopped loving themselves. The blame and buck stops there.

You are right though, the blame is many times given to others as a guilt offering but, it's because immaturity causes people to become unable to see themselves as the problem.

Love is the key that opens many doors ginny and, it is the most misplaced key in the entire world.

Thanks for your insights!

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RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

No man is good rumi but, you and I have love for others at our core. I have told you this in another thread, that I see that in you.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."

~Mark 10:18

God through His son told us not to be good but commanded this for us,

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

~John 15:12

T***hfully, I think trying to be good is much easier, don't you?

Here's what you may not know or, have forgotten... You are still running track my friend, you just didn't see what race you're in.

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

~Hebrews 12:1-2

Keep kicking brother, dig in, run with all your might, the prizes in this race are just unimaginable!

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

~1 Corinthians 2:9

I always loved to run!

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alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Ginny and Knute,
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Rumi, the old saying, "no man is an island," is appropro in your situation. I won't go into another lengthy post on the subject. Ginny and Knute have spoken volumns of t***h in their postings. I can't add any more to their comments.

I'll just say that, if you're feeling all alone, then your eyes are closed; that includes your physical, mental and spiritual eyes. And, only you have the ability to open them. The key you need is "desire." Once you find the key of "desire" and use it, you'll open your eyes and see that you're, truly, not alone. Even if there were no other physical beings with you, if you desire Him, the Holy Spirit will always be by your side.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Thank you my friend Mr. AB, always great insights from a man in the know!

Okay, I can't resist this and, I blame it on my Navy training. AB I posted those biker chicks to stimulate rumi's desire, it was the most loving thing I could think to do.

I just figured if I could get his eyes wide open, he could read everything else and, if they remained closed, he was probably dead already and I was wasting my time. How unselfish of me, right?

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God bless brother and, I loved your comment about the Holy Spirit never leaving us alone!

Amen

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America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Try a Gold Fish. Give it a snazzy name like...Joe.....don't over feed it, and don't let yourself make a Tuna Sandwich out of it.

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

And He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men."

~Mathew 4:19

That Jesus sure gave us all the gift that keeps on giving through His teachings but, goldfish are good too AO, they serve a useful purpose and I think I get your point. :wink:

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alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Man, I swear! You'd "screw-up" a wet dream; what with all your negativity. If you don't want to believe in a deity, then please, STFU! Much like many of the rest of us, Rumi does.

The rest of us will wave at you from Heaven while your soul spends eternity in hell. Oh, I forgot, you're an atheist. You have no soul to burn in hell. Right? In that case, maybe you're a zombie, too. They don't have a soul and they're dead, yet still walk the earth; much like you. But, alas, they have no brain because if they did, they'd realize they were dead; unlike you. Also, if they had a brain, they could make intelligible sounds, other than grunts and screeches and other senseless comments, much like you do.

If you want to see your perfect example of a senseless comment, YOU try making a "tuna" sandwich out of a "goldfish." Just goes to show you that you're brainless. Mr. Zombie, tunas are not goldfish!

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

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I can't help it, this forum just cracks me up. It goes from nurturing and kind to madhouse at mach 1 or greater in sixty seconds or less!

I love this crazy place! Reminds me of home, holidays and relatives.

No wonder I moved so far away and now live alone... What the heck was I thinking of? :wink: :shock: :shock: :XD: :XD: :XD: :thumbup:

AB the Bible speaks to zombies, sort of, know this verse?

During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

~Revelation 9:6

Hollywood is not that original, they just know where to find the best material, like we both do!

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