Powerful Poetry (Page 2): I get lost in trying to explain groups, since I think of people as individuals, not as the collective. and I have enough trouble explaining myself, let alone...

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

PaulPisces wrote:

NPP - There are those of us in the community that mix it up sometimes too, so don't feel alone in that! And there are also many in our community that feel the same way as you about some of the words. The acronym L***Q is still useful I think because it does a good job of being inclusive across a broad group of unique individuals. i.e. shorthand can't define everyone, but it does the best job it can of explaining a group.

I get lost in trying to explain groups, since I think of people as individuals, not as the collective. and I have enough trouble explaining myself, let alone other people.

Rev. Elizabeth

Paul, I agree, but I believe a true L***Q, are those born with over powering convictions if their sexual choices. But to many hide behind labels to justify their curiosity to explore emotional and sexual needs. I can't and won't judge who is who, only God has all the knowledge of ones heart and soul. I'm to love and accept their rights.
That's not to say I don't take inventory of ones actions, words, and integrity. If others character is socially, morally or common sense is so out there, I can choose to express opinion or as Buddha, keep NOBLE SILENCE.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

no propaganda please wrote:

I am aware that groups have throughout history cha... (show quote)

I have to say I understand the confusion over the evolution of the meaning of words. But that's also the wonder of language; it's a living thing that grows, evolves and changes over time. Ultimately I think this is a good thing because it means language is serving the people who use it and not the other way around.

I smiled also at your comment about the conservative homosexuals. It does seem like an oxymoron, but then there's also the Log Cabin Republicans (gay Republican group.) Just goes to show that there are an amazingly infinite variety of political types out there. Hard to pigeon-hole anyone.

And thanks for the good wishes on our vacation. We were in Hawaii where we marveled at the natural beauty of Maui and then visited friends and John's 85 year old aunt in Honolulu.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

PaulPisces wrote:

I have to say I understand the confusion over the ... (show quote)

Probably not smart to pigeon hole anyone. Just as soon as you think you have someone figured out, they do or say something that causes you to say "Say WHAT"
Think I'll save the picture for January and pin it up to make me feel warm. It gets really cold in the mountains and these back roads are closed a lot. wish my neighbor would get draft horse so we could hitch him to a cart to go the 8 miles into town in snow. We tried cart training some of his goats but they would have no part of it, for some reason.

Caboose Loc: South Carolina

Rev. Elizabeth wrote:

Yes, I support the L**T'S right to choose their own "presute" of happiness garenteed by our constitution. This poem covers so much more than gay recognition, it emphasized the power of our attitude with words and actions. Thank you for your comment.

Q***rs, sodomites, lesbians and all other perverts arent guarenteed ANY rights in the constitution.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Caboose wrote:

Q***rs, sodomites, lesbians and all other perverts arent guarenteed ANY rights in the constitution.

I'll quote it again, as I have before on OPP.
From The Good Witch of the East in The Wizard of Oz:

"Begone! You have no power here!"

Caboose, from what I discern I think your screen name might reflect your thought that, as the last car on the train, you will be the first in rapture. Unfortunately the last is always the last, and once the train picks up speed the caboose will be detached and left behind.

Rev. Elizabeth

Paul you do have a way with words. Love it.
CABOOSE, greetings. Your opinions are very heart felt but So closed minded. You think our creator is more interested in who is sleeping with who, than the integrity of their hearts and soul? And we Christians wounder why we have little respect or creditability.

Rev. Elizabeth

Paul you do have a way with words. Love it.
CABOOSE, greetings. Your opinions are very heart felt but So closed minded. You think our creator is more interested in who is sleeping with who, than the integrity of their hearts and soul? And we Christians wounder why we have little respect or creditability.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Rev. Elizabeth wrote:

Paul you do have a way with words. Love it.
CABOOSE, greetings. Your opinions are very heart felt but So closed minded. You think our creator is more interested in who is sleeping with who, than the integrity of their hearts and soul? And we Christians wounder why we have little respect or creditability.

Thanks Rev! I try really hard to NOT lash out at anyone, regardless of how vile I think their comments are. But, being human, I do slip from time to time. Nothing good usually comes of it on OPP, but it does get it out of my system for a while :)

Rev. Elizabeth

Min :roll: Paul, I think you show amazing restraints considering some of the opinions given. I'm one of your followers

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Caboose wrote:

Q***rs, sodomites, lesbians and all other perverts arent guarenteed ANY rights in the constitution.

Of course they are. If anyone who had sinned would not have any rights under the Constitution, we would all be SOL, wouldn't we? I know that some sins are worse than others, but that is for God's final judgement. Yes, God cares who is having sex with whom, because outside of marriage, intercourse is a sin. He also cares who lies about and to whom, who steals property, including intellectual property, or steals other people's time by demanding that they work for free, so that some other person who is capable doesn't have to bother to work. Most of us usually believe everyone else's sins are worse than their own. That is a form of lying, which is also a sin. Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, the right to marry an adult of the opposite sex whose qualifications meet the requirements of the state in which the marriage is to take place. But as to sin, take care of you and yours,nicely and gently hep others to not commit sins, and treat everyone with respect, and God will decide.

Caboose Loc: South Carolina

PaulPisces wrote:

I'll quote it again, as I have before on OPP.
From The Good Witch of the East in The Wizard of Oz:

"Begone! You have no power here!"

Caboose, from what I discern I think your screen name might reflect your thought that, as the last car on the train, you will be the first in rapture. Unfortunately the last is always the last, and once the train picks up speed the caboose will be detached and left behind.

Q***r opinions mean nothing. Go back under your rock.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Caboose wrote:

Q***r opinions mean nothing. Go back under your rock.

Oh Caboose - the only time I'm under a rock is when I'm looking for an eye of newt or toe of frog. You know, so I can brew up a magic potion for combating crackpot voodoo nutbag religious screamers.

As the kids used to say "We're here, we're q***r, get used to it!"

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

no propaganda please wrote:

Probably not smart to pigeon hole anyone. Just as... (show quote)

The two conservative professors we were talking to and I referred to earlier were a couple, one was a professor of ethics, the other of ancient Greek culture, both fields that are dominated by "progressives" We know a few other conservative homosexuals and I don't think it odd at all. The ones we know are different than the "progressive" counterparts in that they do not define themselves in terms of their sexuality but by their interests, occupations and to a great extent by the things they do for and with other people. Sexuality is way down on their list of defining themselves (we never discuss sexual practices with anyone other than the boys we work with, and that is in relation to their healing) so we didn't ask. They seem to be other directed, more so than the "progressive" group are. At least one is a Log Cabin conservative and the conservative take on life better suits his definition of acceptable behavior. As I said, don't pigeon anyone. People are too complicated for that.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

no propaganda please wrote:

The two conservative professors we were talking t... (show quote)

NPP - I think you'd find that most under the LBQTQ umbrella are very much like the couple to whom you refer. All of us, regardless of our orientation, are much, much more than our sexuality. But there are some situations where it does come to the forefront:

- When others are using our orientation to marginalize us and compromise our humanity. How could we remain quiet when this happens?

- I have to admit when someone comes at me swinging I can be guilty of throwing my sexuality at them, as I've done a bit today on OPP. Please know that even that is in the spirit of jousting, and the very human tendency to poke (no pun intended!) at the annoyers.