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Oct 24, 2021 21:15:24   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
JR, I was born and raised in Queens, NY, moved to Maryland to raise my family when I was around thirty, and retired to South Carolina about fifteen years ago. I like to think of myself as a New York yankee that has been working my way south ever since.


And be assured, true southerners often think; well, bless his heart while rolling their eyes. Fifteen years does not make you any where near southern.

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Oct 24, 2021 21:19:25   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
AuntiE wrote:
And be assured, true southerners often think; well, bless his heart while rolling their eyes. Fifteen years does not make you any where near southern.


Bless your heart and lighten up Aunt B. He never stated he was Southern. He stated he has lived in the South Carolina for 15 years.

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Oct 24, 2021 22:30:01   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Sure..let's make minimum wage $25. an hour...No wait..50...how about $100 dollars an hour!
...and now a dollar is worth a penny


Sonny, Thats not what happened in Europe. In those countries the economy was helped by higher wages for working people. Personally, I think that fifteen to twenty bucks an hour is a fair minimum wage. Today, nobody can make ends meet with less.
If the Democratic economic plan works out it could be a little bit less. How are working moms able to work if child care costs more than their salary? Anything less than twelve dollars an hour in less affluent states is unfair, and leads to what is happening right now, massive resignations. If you want a thriving economy, just put cash in the pockets of working people. They will spend it on everything from new cars to refrigerators.
In the past four decades, we have seen an end to pension plans in jobs, right to work laws in conservative states, and a growing gap between rich and poor. This is unsustainable. If you want to see socialism come to this country, just keep on paying s***e wages, and decreasing benefits.

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Oct 25, 2021 07:19:19   #
American Vet
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Sonny, Thats not what happened in Europe. In those countries the economy was helped by higher wages for working people. .


I normally dismiss claims such as yours simply because you do not cite a reference. The tendency of ELWNJs is to post items and expect everyone to just believe it, and if challenged, expect others to do the research (IOW< do your work for you).

Did a bit of research on this because I found it to be interesting.

And, the research revealed you are wrong. No surprise there.

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Oct 25, 2021 07:50:44   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Kevyn wrote:
Better yet why not have a maximum wage!


I could guarantee you, Kev, you would not like the results.

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Oct 25, 2021 08:54:07   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Today Fareed Zakaria of CNN made an interesting observation. Around four million low wage workers in this country are quitting their jobs every month. He compared the wages of unsk**led workers in this country with those in Western Europe and we were not even close. It wasn't long ago we were in first place that category. Now we aren't even in the top ten. As an example, Danish McDonald workers make over twenty dollars an hour.
Some folks believe that people are quitting their jobs because they are lazy, or why should they work when the government gives them money for not working? I admit that these thoughts have crossed my mind in the past.
Zakaria went on to say that the high wages in Europe have not hurt the economy, in fact it has boosted European economies. That makes sense if you think about it. The higher the wages, the more workers can buy, and the more taxes the government takes in. High tides boost the level of all the boats, not just luxury liners.
Here in South Carolina, minimum wages are about seven bucks an hour. Nobody can support themselves on that salary, much less their family. It's high time we treated workers more fairly in this country.
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Oct 25, 2021 09:23:29   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Gatsby wrote:
Do you really think that any employer, offering only minimum wage, is getting any applicants?

When was your last contact with reality?


If not, it's because Americans are not teaching their children the value of employment. In high school,, we worked minimum wage jobs such as Jack in the Box, in summer time, we worked to Garlic fields. The ideal was that if we wanted "specific"items, we could pay for them ourselves. If we wanted a car, we at least contributed half the cost for the car and our first cars were always used so as we destroyed them, it wouldn't be a great loss but would be a learning opportunity. McDonald's were not intended as full time, support a family of four jobs. McDonalds was intended to provide us with a quick, cheap burger on the go.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:24:32   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
The only suitable wage is what that person brings to the success of the company, and a moderate profit level for the investers. Government workers should never be able to make more then what is comparable to that level of work in the civilian area, and what it brings.

Companies are not in business to give workers a job. They are in business to make a reasonable profit for the owners and investors, who took the risks to start the company and probably worked their asses off.

Demanding minimum wages that are beyond the level of your net worth to the company, in today's environment, just hurts the company. If it fails, you are all out of a job and the owner and investors see their investment and hard work evaporate. Everyone loses.

But you socialists think you can demand a certain return on labor, that is not earned. But the total investment that labor adds to the economic health of the company, is the only qualifying factor in play.. Everybody eventually starves, except the dictators who forced unjustified wages on companies. And the overall economy and country eventually fails.

Those are the facts and indisputable.

Logically Right
The only suitable wage is what that person brings ... (show quote)


Logically, I think that paying less than a living wage is worker exploitation. You mentioned the word socialism. If you want to see socialism really take hold in this country, just continue to pay starvation wages. People that work for a living deserve to get a living wage. Since WWII, we have seen CEO compensation skyrocket while workers salary's have remained the same or even gone down. I know a CFO of a New York stock exchange corporation. He told me that corporations pay salaries according to what they think workers need, not what they are worth. Furthermore, when the board of directors v**e to give the CEO a raise, they get a raise too. How do corporations know what workers need? How can CEOs not get a raise?

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Oct 25, 2021 12:28:04   #
The Ms.
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Logically, I think that paying less than a living wage is worker exploitation. You mentioned the word socialism. If you want to see socialism really take hold in this country, just continue to pay starvation wages. People that work for a living deserve to get a living wage. Since WWII, we have seen CEO compensation skyrocket while workers salary's have remained the same or even gone down. I know a CFO of a New York stock exchange corporation. He told me that corporations pay salaries according to what they think workers need, not what they are worth. Furthermore, when the board of directors v**e to give the CEO a raise, they get a raise too. How do corporations know what workers need? How can CEOs not get a raise?
Logically, I think that paying less than a living ... (show quote)


Just like that Government that you sold your soul to!!! Question: You never mention the Unions complicity….Why???? Just asking.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:41:19   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Logically, I think that paying less than a living wage is worker exploitation. You mentioned the word socialism. If you want to see socialism really take hold in this country, just continue to pay starvation wages. People that work for a living deserve to get a living wage. Since WWII, we have seen CEO compensation skyrocket while workers salary's have remained the same or even gone down. I know a CFO of a New York stock exchange corporation. He told me that corporations pay salaries according to what they think workers need, not what they are worth. Furthermore, when the board of directors v**e to give the CEO a raise, they get a raise too. How do corporations know what workers need? How can CEOs not get a raise?
Logically, I think that paying less than a living ... (show quote)


I call BS. Companies pay employees based on the level of talent required to perform the task. Pay rate and benefits are determined by the market; simple supply and demand. Employees accept or decline said rate and benefits. Unsk**led labor is not guaranteed a “living wage”. Their are multiple opportunities for everyone to elevate their marketability in accord with their personal ability and self motivation. I’m a firm believer that the overwhelming majority of people have the ability and access to the tools required to achieve what they desire. No one is guaranteed e******y. They are guaranteed equal opportunity.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:42:09   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
The Ms. wrote:
Just like that Government that you sold your soul to!!! Question: You never mention the Unions complicity….Why???? Just asking.


I remember a few years back, my union wanted me to strike but while Union officials would be collecting a full salary during the strike, I would have been collecting $40 a week. F- THE UNIONS OF TODAY AND FJB

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Oct 25, 2021 12:42:39   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
JR-57 wrote:
I call BS. Companies pay employees based on the level of talent required to perform the task. Pay rate and benefits are determined by the market; simple supply and demand. Employees accept or decline said rate and benefits. Unsk**led labor is not guaranteed a “living wage”. Their are multiple opportunities for everyone to elevate their marketability in accord with their personal ability and self motivation. I’m a firm believer that the overwhelming majority of people have the ability and access to the tools required to achieve what they desire. No one is guaranteed e******y. They are guaranteed equal opportunity.
I call BS. Companies pay employees based on the l... (show quote)


Agree

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Oct 25, 2021 12:42:58   #
American Vet
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Logically, I think that paying less than a living wage is worker exploitation.


So why does the worker stay there? If being exploited - move on to a better job. Very logical

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Oct 25, 2021 13:19:22   #
The Ms.
 
microphor wrote:
I remember a few years back, my union wanted me to strike but while Union officials would be collecting a full salary during the strike, I would have been collecting $40 a week. F- THE UNIONS OF TODAY AND FJB


Just as I thought….. no more for the workers that the Government!

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Oct 25, 2021 15:16:35   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Minimum wage should be more than 7 bucks an hour.

We start trainees at 15 bucks an hour.

10 bucks should be the current minimum wage.


Wolf, I could live with that, but its still a bit low.

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