The Bible and Current Events (Page 2): Thank you, ginnyt, though I was unable to achieve a wrap-around on a few of those long lines? - or so it appears on my screen. It's the first...

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ginnyt wrote:

Nice presentation. But, according to DummyBoy this is a private discussion between Skott and he. I will offer no more opinions. Again, nice write up.

Thank you, ginnyt, though I was unable to achieve a wrap-around on a few of those long lines? - or so it appears on my screen.

It's the first time I have experienced OPP's software failing to automatically wrap.

I was able to correct most of the post with hard returns, but not all... a lack of perseverance on my part, no doubt.

My suggestion for DummyBoy is to host his own forum, or learn to use "Private" Messages for "private" discussions. :hunf:

You are more than welcome to participate in my private discussion forums at any time. 8-)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you. I am sorry you had problems with my post. Let me pull it up and perhaps send it to you in a pm. I write in Word and copy it over, it is more than possible my mistake.

Zemirah wrote:

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rumitoid

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This fascination with the Ends Times is fairly new; about 200 years. There is no reason--none--to be concerned or even comment on it. The early fathers of the Church sent numerous epistles to the faithful urging them to prat that God stay his hand so that more may be saved. They did not sell survival gear, food, or weapons as many TVevangelists today. "Fear not!" Get it? "Fear not!"

DotsMan

Dummy Boy wrote:

I don't agree, God's Flock most definitely doesn't even imply Christians. You are full of nonsense. The word Christian doesn't even occur in the old testament.

You apparently misunderstood my statement.
The nation of Israel, the Jewish people, were at the time of Ezekiel's writing, being dispersed out of the Promised Land and scattered out among most of the nations of the then known world. That dispersion was not complete until approximately 70 AD. They did not start returning to their country until the early twentieth century so this prophecy has not been fulfilled. My original post was that God is using current events to encourage His "flock", the people of Israel, to move back to the land which He gave them, thereby bringing about the fulfillment of the quoted prophecy. By the way, fulfillment of this prophecy is prerequisite to the fulfillment of the prophecies of the book of The Revelation.
The "Christian flock" that I referred to is those who have been "adopted" as children of God thru their belief in, trust in and acceptance of Jesus as their Savior.

rumitoid

DotsMan wrote:

In this scripture, God's "flock" is the Jewish people as a nation.
The "Christian" flock is all those, both Jew and Gentile who are followers of Jesus.

The significance of this gathering of God's Jewish flock back to Israel is that it is an indication that the return of Jesus to gather His "Christian flock" is getting close. Please don't ask me how close because neither I nor anyone else knows the answer to that question.

It is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one. The Temple no longer has a geographical location. The Perusia encompasses the world.

rumitoid

Zemirah wrote:

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There is no evidence that demands a verdict: there is simple faith. Demanding evidence is totally contrary to faith and an attack on faith. Looking for any support to faith is a lack of faith. Otherwise, it is like demanding that your wife prove she is faithful before trusting her. Wh**ever definitive proof she may provide can only account up to the minute she speaks. Is this faith in her?

To demand evidence for faith is either an attack on faith or a denial of faith.

rumitoid

Any reference to cite a verse from the Bible other than "become as a little child" as its foundation, distorts t***h.

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rumitoid wrote:

It is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one. The Temple no longer has a geographical location. The Perusia encompasses the world.

All of Israel, per God's multitudinous promises, is being regathered from the entire earth, to increase the population of a physical nation whose borders are about to be enlarged, per prophecy.

The Temple will soon be rebuilt in Jerusalem, on the Temple mount; the four red moons of 2014 - 2015 are a reminder of God's promise and of coming fulfillment.

As to the "perusia?"

1) The ancient Perusia, now Perugia, first appears in history as one of the 12 confederate cities of Etruria. It is first mentioned in the account of the war of 310 or 309 BC between the Etruscans and the Romans. It took, however, an important part in the r*******n of 295 and was reduced, with Vulsinii and Arretium (Arezzo), to seek for peace in the following year.

2) In Christian theology the study of the Holy Spirit is called pneumatology, from two Greek words, pneuma meaning "wind," "breath," or "spirit" and logos meaning "word," or "logic." Generally this includes such topics as the personality of the Spirit, the deity of the Spirit, and the work of the Spirit as presented in the Bible.

Choose an entry? 1 or 2 {Both are from Wikipedia.}

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ginnyt wrote:

Thank you. I am sorry you had problems with my post. Let me pull it up and perhaps send it to you in a pm. I write in Word and copy it over, it is more than possible my mistake.

It wasn't your post, ginnyt, as I didn't quote your original post in my first reply.

It was my own post that wouldn't properly align to the width of the screen, after posting.

I use BlueGriffon as a web page editor, from Disruptive Innovations.

The options: "Remove all text styles" and/or "Remove all links" usually sufficiently conform my post before posting {a little redundancy there), but failed on this occasion.

rumitoid

Zemirah wrote:

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You are not giving me new information or any argument than what I stated. Perusia is not a country or a state but the Latin word for the 1K reign of Jesus on earth.

rumitoid

rumitoid wrote:

You are not giving me new information or any argument than what I stated. Perusia is not a country or a state but the Latin word for the 1K reign of Jesus on earth.

If Christians are truly grafted on to the Jews, than Brooklyn as much as anywhere can be the Promised Land. "Israel" is of the heart, not of a map!

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rumitoid wrote:

You are not giving me new information or any argument than what I stated. Perusia is not a country or a state but the Latin word for the 1K reign of Jesus on earth.

Spelling matters. It distinguishes one word from another.

The Greek word parousia (pronounced pair-oo-see-ah) is a noun that means "a coming" or "a presence." As it is used in the New Testament, it can refer to any individual's coming or presence to a specific place or to be with specific people.

For example, in 1 Corinthians 16:17, Paul writes of "the coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus." In 2 Corinthians 7:6, Paul writes of "the coming of Titus." In Philippians 2:12, it is used to refer to Paul's presence.

Most importantly, however, if you were to do a search of the Greek New Testament, you would find that primarily this word refers to the Coming of the Lord Jesus.

It can refer to either His second coming at the END of the 7-year tribulation period (Matthew 24:27, 37, 39; Revelation 19:11 ff), or to His coming to rapture His Church PRIOR to the 7-year period known as the tribulation (1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 5:23; James 5:8; 1 John 2:28).

So, the Parousia is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and you have to look at the context to determine whether it refers to His appearing in the air to rapture or catch away the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), or whether it refers to His second coming to Earth to setup His millennial kingdom (Matthew 24-25; Revelation 19:11ff; 20:4-6).

rumitoid

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My bad. Maybe thirty years ago I used the word parousia. Sorry. But I have to say all this End Times stuff to me distracts from Jesus. We are all to live as if this the is the very second before our death. Threats of impending doom for the world does not convert; the HS converts. End Times talk is vanity and of no consequence. Sorry, I have given a lot of thought to this and that is what I believe. I could be wrong, of course, but felt the need to share.

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rumitoid wrote:

This fascination with the Ends Times is fairly new; about 200 years. There is no reason--none--to be concerned or even comment on it. The early fathers of the Church sent numerous epistles to the faithful urging them to prat that God stay his hand so that more may be saved. They did not sell survival gear, food, or weapons as many TVevangelists today. "Fear not!" Get it? "Fear not!"

I don't know anyone who is in Christ who is afraid, for all those who love Jesus Christ, and are loved by Him, are familiar with Scripture and understand that "Perfect love casts out all fear."

Anyone who has studied the Holy Scriptures at any period during the last four thousand years, with the belief that God has spoken clearly, and is to be understood literally and historically, could not be less than fascinated with the "End Times."

{Consider a quote from Sir Issac Newton}:

"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."

Sir Issac Newton 1642-1727

Sir Isaac Newton was likely one of the greatest scientists who ever lived. He made fundamental contributions to every major area of scientific and mathematical concern in his generation. He made revolutionary advances in mathematics, optics, physics, and astronomy. He actually invented the mathematic discipline known as calculus.

In addition to his unequaled mental capability, Newton was also an ardent Bible scholar who was very fluent in the ancient languages. He studied and t***slated the book of Daniel from the original Hebrew and his interpretations are the foundation of a book entitled, NEWTON'S PROPHECIES OF DANIEL, by the Oregon Institute Of Science and Medicine.

Regarding his perception of how God was working in the lives of men in revealing t***hs from the Word of God, Newton wrote:

"Amongst the Interpreters of the last age
there is scarce one of note who hath not made some
discovery worth knowing; and thence seem to gather
that God is about opening these mysteries.
The success of others put me upon considering it; and
if I have done anything which may be useful to following
writers, I have my design."

Newton's keen insight into Daniel's prophecies may be the greatest contribution he ever made.

Almost 300 years ago, Sir Isaac Newton was given prophetic insight into our present time. God has raised up a group of men and women who are insisting upon a literal interpretation of Daniel's Prophecies.

There is a great deal of resistance to it, as well as much "clamor and opposition." But God's Word is just that: God's Word! Men can either listen to it and believe what it says, or they can disregard it and miss out on what God is really saying. {end of quote}

Watching the events that fulfill God's prophecy unfold is a command from Jesus Christ.

Three times, He said, "Watch, know the signs of the End Times."

We do not know the day or the hour, but if we study Daniel, Revelations and the Prophets, we will know when we see in the printed morning news, online, or on TV, the fulfillment of a prophecy made two, three, or four thousand years ago.

Nothing is more thrilling, for we are in a race to the finish, and we will see Him - Jesus, as He is.

The intent of God, in teaching us the t***h, is that we might know, love, and embrace it, and be saved by it. Scorn, hard names, and reviling speeches cannot make t***h to be a lie or a fiction. At last. God's Spirit will bring all the redeemed "in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ" (Ephesians 4:13).

Then where will the scorners be?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

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