straightUp Loc: California

You already copy-pasted this blurb a while back, do you not remember or are you just running out of sources that don't conflict with the fantasy you're trying to perpetuate?

I'll just point you back to where I responded to this the first time... https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3807298&t=221121


That's a quote from an anonymous internet user who did NOT source the information. In the meantime, I already sent you a direct link to a report that says 3,280 Americans died from a lack of food in 2018 and THAT report was sourced! Data Source: WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION 2018


You already posted this one too. Same anonymous internet user... Same response from me... Again, I'll just point you back to where I responded the first time. https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3807298&t=221121

In case you're thinking repetition is going to work, let me just save you the time... it won't. I'm a liberal, we don't suddenly believe something just because we heard it enough times.

But since you're recycling your arguments, I'm going to reference something I mentioned before that I don't think you understood. Remember when I said "Suffering is what happens BEFORE you die." ???

I started this thread to applaud the child tax credit as a way to help people feed their children, many of whom are suffering from insufficient food and resulting malnutrition which can cause a lack of focus in school, hunger pains and a wide variety of sickness. Indeed, as far as we know, ALL of the suffering that comes from a lack of food occurs BEFORE death.

So... why are you acting like there isn't a problem unless someone actually dies from it?

American Vet

Already done: Right above in the previous post. Here it is again. Have a high school graduate help you read/understand it.

Fatal starvation is a rare cause of death in industrialized countries but this entity may become of major medicolegal importance if death results from deliberate withholding of food, especially from infants. In such cases, the task of the forensic pathologist and the medical examiner, respectively, is not only to clarify the cause of death but also to give an expert opinion on the degree and duration of starvation.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1385%2F1-59259-872-2%3A003

According to the World Health Organization, 120 Americans died from "lack of food" in 2004.
Starvation rates in the United States are generally not recorded due to the relative infrequency of the occurrence. Generally speaking, most people do not starve to death in America as a result of lack of access to food. A combination of government food programs and private charities help to ensure this. However, Americans do have a serious problem with malnutrition. Starvation (that is, death due to lack of food) in America, in the relatively rare instances that it does occur, is not usually an indication of poverty but rather a variety of other social issues.
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_from_starvation_each_year_in_America

straightUp Loc: California

Wow - you just aren't getting this. It's the third time you've pushed these two excerpts as if they're somehow going to validate your absurd claims. You don't use words to explain how, you just keep shoving the copy/paste at me. Honestly, I can't even imagine how you figure these two excerpts prove that starvation and malnutrition are not the same thing...

So, l'll tell you what this repetition HAS taught me...

The first excerpt is from a summary of a book on forensics and it's relation to a very specific type of starvation which the summary introduces as "fatal starvation". My first response was to suggest that fatal starvation is probably a reference to protein-energy malnutrition. Here's a link to that post...
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3807298&t=221121

You didn't respond to that point specifically. So the second time you pushed it, I didn't say anything about it, but the third time, I decided to follow the link and read the whole summary to see what you left out and lo and behold! On the very next sentence after the last one you copied...

"Several classification systems have been developed to estimate protein-energy malnutrition (PEM) in third world countries (e.g., Waterlow classification, Gomez classification)."

PEM (as in, protein-energy MALNUTRITION) remains the focus for the rest of the summary. Apparently, my guess that fatal starvation = PEM was correct, and now that I've read the entire summary, it's pretty obvious.

So what I learned from your repeated submission of the same two excerpts here is that in your effort to prove that starvation and malnutrition are NOT the same thing, you have been repeatedly pasting the first 2 sentences of a book summary that mentions starvation even though the third sentence explains that what they are actually talking about is malnutrition.

'Not looking good, Scooter. Maybe you should read the entire article before using parts of it as a replacement for your own thoughts.

American Vet

Sadly you continue to deflect with your fascination on third world countries and the hunger issues there.

The question remains: How many children in America die from starvation. You take several paragraphs to say you don't know.

Do try to stay focused, Tricycle.

straightUp Loc: California

You're the only one deflecting here, sweetheart. You've been working very hard to make your failed search for children dying of starvation the ONLY thing that matters. That is very much a deflection from the wider range of problems that the tax credit is trying to help with.

All I was doing was trying to help you understand why your search failed.


Again, with your deflection... Those paragraphs were my extended efforts to help you understand why your search failed. Other's who have been reading this thread have even mentioned that I have the patience of a saint in dealing with your childish idiocy. Well, that patience is running out. I have better things to do with my time, and at this point it's clear you aren't interested in correcting your failed search because if you did, you wouldn't have anything left to deflect with.

So I'm going to paraphrase a summary here...

SU: The Tax Credit for Children just went into effect. This credit will help millions of American families feed their children. Yay!

AV: It's a waste of money. The only reason why children are dying of starvation is because of bad parents not because families don't have enough money.

SU: Dying isn't the only issue here... Due to low budgets, children all over America are suffering from hunger and malnutrition, which can cause a lot of problems for them. And people *do* die from malnutrition, BTW... Here's the data.

AV: I said "starvation!" That's not the same thing as malnutrition!

SU: Actually, those terms can be interchangeable depending on context. The CDC uses the term malnutrition which is why your search failed. You're using the wrong terminology.

AV: No! Those terms are NOT interchangeable! Starvation and malnutrition are not the same! Here's the proof!

SU: Actually, that's a summary of a book that calls protein-energy malnutrition, fatal starvation.

AV: The fact remains that neither of us can find the number of children that died of starvation!

SU: I haven't actually tried all that hard because I'm not the one claiming that child starvation is the only problem being addressed by the tax credit. I told you if you're looking specifically for deaths caused by starvation you're using the wrong terminology. In the meantime, can we get back to all the other problems associated with food insecurity that this tax credit is designed to help with?

AV: You're deflecting!

So this is where I say... we're done.

This topic has actually served it's purpose. I wanted to present a positive topic about something good that America is doing for it's people and see what kind of reaction would come from either side. You certainly answered that. You have demonstrated the foolish antics that a conservative will undergo to piss on anything coming from the left, even if it means ignoring the plight of millions of American children.

Well done.

American Vet

Long rant saying nothing except your personal beliefs - which pretty much lack common sense.

You are dismissed

Cuda2020

Original, yep...not

Cuda2020

What I'm seeing here is more of, let's force women to have babies then when they can't afford to feed them properly we turn our backs and let them be sick or die from *malnutrition*.

American Vet

So just murder the babies....no problem.

Cuda2020

Tell me what is more right about letting them be born to then die a slow death by malnutrition=starvation, you somehow think that is better? Stop the hypocrisy.

American Vet

So you believe women who have unwanted babies are going to starve them to death?

Malnutrition does not equal starvation.

As I have pointed out before:
Starvation
Definition
Starvation is the result of a severe or total lack of nutrients needed for the maintenance of life.

Malnutrition
Definition
Malnutrition is the condition that develops when the body does not get the right amount of the vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients it needs to maintain healthy tissues and organ function.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/starvation

You seem to be as thick as 'straightup' - and that is pretty thick.

Cuda2020

That is absolutely amazing, you... still...don't get it. woooooow. Ok so there's some real disability there, my apologies. According to you that can't be, babies don't starve or die of malnutrition, so the entire argument is moot, great, have a good day.

American Vet

Jeez: I can't break it down any more simple than what I have done. Have an educated adult help you.

Sadly, in addition to being a liar, you are just 'sort of dense'.

Cuda2020

Yeah, lol you breaking it down for me, wh**ever you say bro. You can't think of anything original either, copying straight up comment to you. Go in peace.