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Why John 12:37-41 Is Not A Prooftext For The Deity Of Jesus
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Jul 5, 2021 20:10:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
troysal wrote:
Trinitarian apologists really go to ridiculous lengths to find proof-texts for their belief that Jesus is God. John 12:37-41 is a good case in point. In this article I show why it doesn't work.

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/11/why-john-1237-41-is-not-a-prooftext-for-the-deity-of-jesus/


To be honest, I found this one a little chaotic...I had to reread some parts, and at times had to pause to consider what was being explained... Not necessarily a bad thing, but a shift from your other pieces...

I enjoyed the responses you have received...

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Jul 6, 2021 10:03:42   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
There is much you don’t believe - even in the Hebrew bible - and that is tragic.


Please provide some Hebrew scriptures that I don't believe are God's words.

I don't believe anything that is misinterpreted toward a man who is also God lie.

I believe simple readings like..."God is not a man"..as is thoroughly conveyed throughout the whole Hebrew Bible.

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Jul 6, 2021 10:13:39   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
Anyone is a fool to say that Jesus is not God. Here are several OT/NT proofs that Jesus is:

Isaiah 40:3 speaks about preparing the way for the LORD (Yahweh). When we compare this verse with Mark 1:3 we see that Jesus is the LORD who had the way prepared for him by John the Baptist.

In Joel 2:32 it says that whoever calls upon the Name of the LORD (Yahweh) will be saved. This verse is quoted by Peter in Acts 2:21, and by Paul in Romans 10:13. Both apostles are referring to Jesus as the LORD in these verses.

In Isaiah 6:1-10 we read about the marvelous vision that Isaiah had revealing the glory of the LORD (Yahweh). John tells us in John 12:40-41 that this vision revealed the glory of Jesus.

In Isaiah 44:6, the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as “the First and the Last”. In Revelation 1:8; 17, Jesus similarly refers to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last.”

In Zechariah 12:10 the LORD (Yahweh) speaks and says, “they will look on Me whom they have pierced.” This is Jesus speaking (Psa. 22:16; John 19:34). This verse from Zechariah appears again in Revelation 1:7 and is about Jesus Christ.
Anyone is a fool to say that Jesus is not God. Her... (show quote)



You lack understanding that many things were mistranslated, and you people claim that there are no mistranslations from the original to the Greco/Roman religion.

You would have to make an "honest" study to find your sacred mistranslated beliefs.

Just like Isaiah 53 concerning who the Servant is.

And Psalm 22 and the mistranslated piercing concoction.

You sure like to call people fools.

Have you ever read what your man-god says about calling people fools?

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Jul 6, 2021 10:14:18   #
Rose42
 
Michael Rich wrote:
Please provide some Hebrew scriptures that I don't believe are God's words.

I don't believe anything that is misinterpreted toward a man who is also God lie.

I believe simple readings like..."God is not a man"..as is thoroughly conveyed throughout the whole Hebrew Bible.


You put your own interpretation on things because you reject Christ. Your rejection has nothing to do with unitarianism. CD's rejection of some of his teachings also has nothing to do with unitarian beliefs.

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Jul 6, 2021 10:14:42   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
To be honest, I found this one a little chaotic...I had to reread some parts, and at times had to pause to consider what was being explained... Not necessarily a bad thing, but a shift from your other pieces...

I enjoyed the responses you have received...
To be honest, I found this one a little chaotic...... (show quote)


Thats because its a game to you.

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Jul 6, 2021 11:20:54   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
You put your own interpretation on things because you reject Christ. Your rejection has nothing to do with unitarianism. CD's rejection of some of his teachings also has nothing to do with unitarian beliefs.


So it's just your opinion? You can't provide anything real?

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Jul 6, 2021 17:01:56   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
To be honest, I found this one a little chaotic...I had to reread some parts, and at times had to pause to consider what was being explained... Not necessarily a bad thing, but a shift from your other pieces...

I enjoyed the responses you have received...
To be honest, I found this one a little chaotic...... (show quote)


Well, I don't know what to say . . . uh thanks? No, I get it. Even I can admit that some of my articles are better than others.

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Jul 6, 2021 19:17:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Michael Rich wrote:
You lack understanding that many things were mistranslated, and you people claim that there are no mistranslations from the original to the Greco/Roman religion.

You would have to make an "honest" study to find your sacred mistranslated beliefs.

Just like Isaiah 53 concerning who the Servant is.

And Psalm 22 and the mistranslated piercing concoction.

You sure like to call people fools.

Have you ever read what your man-god says about calling people fools?
You lack understanding that many things were mistr... (show quote)


Parky believes that it's ok to call non Christians fools

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Jul 6, 2021 19:18:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
You put your own interpretation on things because you reject Christ. Your rejection has nothing to do with unitarianism. CD's rejection of some of his teachings also has nothing to do with unitarian beliefs.


That is correct...

I feel no need to limit myself with a title...

I'm a Unitarian only in the sense that I recognize and reject the truth about Trinitarianism...

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Jul 6, 2021 19:19:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
troysal wrote:
Well, I don't know what to say . . . uh thanks? No, I get it. Even I can admit that some of my articles are better than others.


It would be spooky if they were all equally clear

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Jul 6, 2021 19:49:17   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Parky believes that it's ok to call non Christians fools


The reverend Parky was going to lay God's hands on me.

He warned me that "it's about to get real"

He believes that after he has three failed attempts at converting anyone, he can dust off his sandals, letting loose some radio active fall out....worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.

But he appears as only harmful to his own self.

Because for reverend Parky to feel that he binds something on earth, and from there it's bound in heaven.

I mean, what can you say.?

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Jul 6, 2021 22:13:00   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Parky believes that it's ok to call non Christians fools

Again you bear false witness. I believe that it's truthful to call fools and false teachers fools.

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Jul 6, 2021 22:15:41   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Michael Rich wrote:
The reverend Parky was going to lay God's hands on me.

He warned me that "it's about to get real"

He believes that after he has three failed attempts at converting anyone, he can dust off his sandals, letting loose some radio active fall out....worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.

But he appears as only harmful to his own self.

Because for reverend Parky to feel that he binds something on earth, and from there it's bound in heaven.

I mean, what can you say.?
The reverend Parky was going to lay God's hands on... (show quote)

I can say that you're deluded. Why do you bear false witness so much?

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Jul 7, 2021 08:06:41   #
Rose42
 
Michael Rich wrote:
So it's just your opinion? You can't provide anything real?


You mean real in your opinion. You reject Christ which affects your discernment like it or not.

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Jul 7, 2021 08:18:08   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That is correct...

I feel no need to limit myself with a title...

I'm a Unitarian only in the sense that I recognize and reject the truth about Trinitarianism...


You reject many things about Christ and God.

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