Why John 12:37-41 Is Not A Prooftext For The Deity Of Jesus: Trinitarian apologists really go to ridiculous lengths to find proof-texts for their belief that Jesus is God. John...

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Trinitarian apologists really go to ridiculous lengths to find proof-texts for their belief that Jesus is God. John 12:37-41 is a good case in point. In this article I show why it doesn't work.

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/11/why-john-1237-41-is-not-a-prooftext-for-the-deity-of-jesus/

Rose42

Here we go again with the self promotion......

Important to point out - that piece is an opinion piece. No more.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Rose42 wrote:

Here we go again with the self promotion......

Important to point out - that piece is an opinion piece. No more.

Just promoting the truth and NO DUH! it's an opinion, just like every other thing written by men in their interpretations of scripture; this just happens to be an opinion that accords with the truth.

Rose42

troysal wrote:

Just promoting the truth and NO DUH! it's an opinion, just like every other thing written by men in their interpretations of scripture; this just happens to be an opinion that accords with the truth.

You are promoting yourself and your O-P-I-N-I-O-N, not truth.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Rose42 wrote:

You are promoting yourself and your O-P-I-N-I-O-N, not truth.

The same old criticism with absolutely no substance.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Rose42 wrote:

You are promoting yourself and your O-P-I-N-I-O-N, not truth.

Rose...why is it that your beliefs are not just your opinion of what you read.?

How are you different.?

Rose42

troysal wrote:

The same old criticism with absolutely no substance.

Articles like yours have been refuted by others many times. No need to reinvent the wheel.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Rose42 wrote:

Articles like yours have been refuted by others many times. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Yeah you keep saying that but I have yet to see such refutation. Could you provide me with a source that I can check out?

Rose42

troysal wrote:

Yeah you keep saying that but I have yet to see such refutation. Could you provide me with a source that I can check out?

No, you have yet to acknowledge one.

Over the years I’ve seen many people go down rabbit holes convinced they had found ‘truth’.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Rose42 wrote:

No, you have yet to acknowledge one.

Over the years I’ve seen many people go down rabbit holes convinced they had found ‘truth’.

I'll be waiting for those sources you referenced.

Rose42

troysal wrote:

I'll be waiting for those sources you referenced.

Lol.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

troysal wrote:

Just promoting the truth and NO DUH! it's an opinion, just like every other thing written by men in their interpretations of scripture; this just happens to be an opinion that accords with the truth.

It doesn’t look like anyone is interested in taking your bait! Your effort to advertise your site and your attempt to prove that Jesus is not God, 2nd in the Trinity, has been refuted several times. There doesn’t seem to be anyone interested in reading your opinion on this subject!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

TexaCan wrote:

It doesn’t look like anyone is interested in taking your bait! Your effort to advertise your site and your attempt to prove that Jesus is not God, 2nd in the Trinity, has been refuted several times. There doesn’t seem to be anyone interested in reading your opinion on this subject!

I dont believe in the pagan man-god savior either.

That was actually an element that was added very late in the story's.

There was a solid reason that God gave the stern warning of false prophets and preacher's.

He said that he sends them to test our beliefs.

Now millions profess that their God is a multi personality deity.

When in the whole Hebrew Bible God says that He is alone, always has been, always will be.

Rose42

Michael Rich wrote:

I dont believe in the pagan man-god savior either.

That was actually an element that was added very late in the story's.

There was a solid reason that God gave the stern warning of false prophets and preacher's.

He said that he sends them to test our beliefs.

Now millions profess that their God is a multi personality deity.

When in the whole Hebrew Bible God says that He is alone, always has been, always will be.

There is much you don’t believe - even in the Hebrew bible - and that is tragic.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Michael Rich wrote:

I dont believe in the pagan man-god savior either.

That was actually an element that was added very late in the story's.

There was a solid reason that God gave the stern warning of false prophets and preacher's.

He said that he sends them to test our beliefs.

Now millions profess that their God is a multi personality deity.

When in the whole Hebrew Bible God says that He is alone, always has been, always will be.

Anyone is a fool to say that Jesus is not God. Here are several OT/NT proofs that Jesus is:

Isaiah 40:3 speaks about preparing the way for the LORD (Yahweh). When we compare this verse with Mark 1:3 we see that Jesus is the LORD who had the way prepared for him by John the Baptist.

In Joel 2:32 it says that whoever calls upon the Name of the LORD (Yahweh) will be saved. This verse is quoted by Peter in Acts 2:21, and by Paul in Romans 10:13. Both apostles are referring to Jesus as the LORD in these verses.

In Isaiah 6:1-10 we read about the marvelous vision that Isaiah had revealing the glory of the LORD (Yahweh). John tells us in John 12:40-41 that this vision revealed the glory of Jesus.

In Isaiah 44:6, the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as “the First and the Last”. In Revelation 1:8; 17, Jesus similarly refers to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last.”

In Zechariah 12:10 the LORD (Yahweh) speaks and says, “they will look on Me whom they have pierced.” This is Jesus speaking (Psa. 22:16; John 19:34). This verse from Zechariah appears again in Revelation 1:7 and is about Jesus Christ.