Moderate/Centrist?? (Page 2): Don't make me laugh. The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America. It takes two to tango, bucko. For Dems to compromise...

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Michael Rich wrote:

Unlike the current administration.

Don't make me laugh. The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America. It takes two to tango, bucko. For Dems to compromise at this point would just be conceding. Biden has the experience of the first two yrs. of the Obama administration to understand the Rep. attitude toward 'compromise'.

You see compromise as weakness. Unless it's the Dems. not compromising, then it's all power grabbing c*******m. You made the bed, now here we are.

Anvil

working class stiff wrote:

compromise....the necessary ingredient for successful politics and policy.

I was asking about a specific issue such as 's******c r****m' or a******n.

Anvil

working class stiff wrote:

Don't make me laugh. The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America. It takes two to tango, bucko. For Dems to compromise at this point would just be conceding. Biden has the experience of the first two yrs. of the Obama administration to understand the Rep. attitude toward 'compromise'.

You see compromise as weakness. Unless it's the Dems. not compromising, then it's all power grabbing c*******m. You made the bed, now here we are.

And how many times did President Trump invite the democrats to come to the table on issues? Several, IIRC.

But then there is this:
https://freebeacon.com/c****av***s/pelosi-dismisses-dem-calls-for-compromise-on-c****av***s-stimulus/

"There should be no compromise....."
https://poststar.com/news/local/schumer-cuomo-stand-against-gop-tax-plan/article_674ba59c-d03d-5bca-8089-52c1871b738f.html

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01/03/progressives-demand-no-compromise-with-trump.html

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Anvil wrote:

And how many times did President Trump invite the ... (show quote)

Quite honestly, I'm no longer interested in the trading of tits for tats about who is worse, the Dems. or Reps. I've been around long enough to know that our nation is broken and there's plenty of blame to go around. My core beliefs tend toward left of center. I acknowledge the existence of 'public goods' and their economic impacts both good and bad. For example, while it may benefit a business to dispose of chemical wastes in the nearest water supply the costs to the public may outweigh that benefit. How far left depends on the issue. That doesn't make me a c*******t or even a radical. I don't want to overturn capitalism or take your guns, nor give free money to folks able to work.

Make of that what you will, but the constant drumbeat of 'well they did it too' has become stale. It's the only kind of politics I've experienced in my 4+ decades of political awareness and I'm tired of it. At this point, I'd rather work with RINOs than the extremes on either side.

Anvil

working class stiff wrote:

Quite honestly, I'm no longer interested in the tr... (show quote)

Then why do you make a comment such as "The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America" when you state above it is both sides?

I quite agree there is blame for both sides. However, the extreme left in control now is very dangerous to freedom everywhere. Do you agree with that?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

working class stiff wrote:

Don't make me laugh. The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America. It takes two to tango, bucko. For Dems to compromise at this point would just be conceding. Biden has the experience of the first two yrs. of the Obama administration to understand the Rep. attitude toward 'compromise'.

You see compromise as weakness. Unless it's the Dems. not compromising, then it's all power grabbing c*******m. You made the bed, now here we are.

So your political ethics are based on some sort of payback for perceived wrongs?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

working class stiff wrote:

Quite honestly, I'm no longer interested in the tr... (show quote)

The guy that you support is on the warpath to ruining capitalism, attacking the second amendment, and he is giving money to people who have decided to take unfair advantage of the taxpayers.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Anvil wrote:

Then why do you make a comment such as "The right has been uncompromising since at least Gingrich's contract w/ America" when you state above it is both sides?

I quite agree there is blame for both sides. However, the extreme left in control now is very dangerous to freedom everywhere. Do you agree with that?

Nope....the Biden administration is not extreme left, nor a danger to freedom everywhere.

I used the Gingrich comment to illustrate how long this has been going on.

https://www.deseret.com/1994/11/12/19142212/feisty-gingrich-says-no-to-compromise

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Michael Rich wrote:

So your political ethics are based on some sort of payback for perceived wrongs?

Nope...my political ethics are based on my moral compass. Politics is only a small part of that. That doesn't mean I ignore what's happened in the past and is happening now.

Rose42

jelun wrote:

First thing you might try is to drop the insulting... (show quote)

That is mostly nonsense but “progressives” like to try and control the narrative.

So-called “progressives” actually fuel hatred, r****m and bigotry all the while pushing the breakdown of the family unit along with encouraging an increasing amorality. The latter is not all their fault though- amorality is across the spectrum.

Never met a real centrist. Most people are a mixture of liberal and conservative.

Rose42

working class stiff wrote:

Only to the radical right. From that perspective, everyone is a radical l*****t. It's one of the reasons you don't recognize moderates or centrists.

Jelun is a zealot on this forum and I am no part of the radical right. There are multiple zealots on the right as well but I usually don’t bother reading their posts. His are sometimes good.

Democrats h**e America, are stupid, republicans are all w***e s*********ts and want to o*******w the government....etc,etc,etc

I have been in some heated discussions but never has anyone said those types of things in arguments.

Anvil

working class stiff wrote:

Nope....the Biden administration is not extreme left, nor a danger to freedom everywhere.

If you think he isn't, and agree with his policies, then you are not the centrist you claim to be. And, every 'progressive (AKA socialist)' is a danger to freedom everywhere.

"Despite losing twice, Sanders shifted the party to the left — some would say the extreme left. And when he backed Biden, he did so only after Biden released their agreed upon plan to “fundamentally t***sform” the country, using old Barack Obama phraseology.

That 110-page plan, called the “Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force Recommendations,’’ is a free stuff document that reads like something Lenin and Trotsky might have put together during a vodka-soaked weekend in Minsk.

Not only does the plan call for open borders, for instance, but would grant i*****l i*******ts health care and citizenship. It would defund the police, abolish ICE, end fracking and the use of f****l f**ls, eliminate charter schools, provide free college tuition and eliminate student debt. Of course, Biden/Bernie would increase taxes by $10 billion and then some from those still working to pay for it all.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/09/23/biden-may-be-shifting-to-center-but-advisers-signal-hard-left/

https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/beware-of-biden-sanders-radical-lefty-manifesto-devine/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/biden-surprises-with-left-leaning-policies-progressives-applaud

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/547475-whats-really-behind-joe-bidens-far-left-swing

https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-shrinks-gives-radical-left-refugee-policy/

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Anvil wrote:

If you think he isn't, and agree with his policies... (show quote)

I never claimed to be a centrist. I clearly stated that I lean left. Especially for this board, as most of the right wingers to not recognize centrists and moderates as such. So no problem.

Let's turn that around, shall we? Are there any moderate or centrists from the right on this board? What would be their characteristics and views? I suspect they would be tarred as RINOs, and lumped in with everyone else in the middle as somehow not worthy as fellow Americans.

Anvil

working class stiff wrote:

I never claimed to be a centrist. I clearly stated that I lean left. Especially for this board, as most of the right wingers to not recognize centrists and moderates as such. So no problem.

Let's turn that around, shall we? Are there any moderate or centrists from the right on this board? What would be their characteristics and views? I suspect they would be tarred as RINOs, and lumped in with everyone else in the middle as somehow not worthy as fellow Americans.

Oddly enough, when I asked you about any specific issue, you answered with a vague comment of 'compromise'.

"Centrist" is a vague term whose definition is determined by the individual.

So what is a policy/position that you hold that you consider to be 'centrist/slightly left'?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Anvil wrote:

I was asking about a specific issue such as 's******c r****m' or a******n.

You are assuming that all folks on the left or right share the same views on all issues. Take a******n, for example. There are plenty of God fearing religious folks on the left who don't condone a******n, and plenty of folks on the right who think that a******n is up to the families involved in the decision and that no one has the right to interfere with that decision (the libertarians).

Reality is much more complex than simplistic and narrow ideology.