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Mar 6, 2021 07:19:45   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
" and welcome immigrants. " Please recite the passage in the New Testament where Jesus speaks about immigrants.

New Testament Bible verses that touch on the matter of immigrants/immigration....

You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and h**e your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you. - Matthew 5:43-44

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. - Matthew 25:35

Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me. - Matthew 25:40

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. - Luke 10:27

Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. - Acts 10:34

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. - Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. - Romans 13:8

Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, s***e and free; but Christ is all and in all. - Colossians 3:11

Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. - Hebrews 13:1-3

Beloved, you do faithfully wh**ever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the t***h. - 3 John 1:5

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.” - Revelation 21:3

And...

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. - Romans 13:1-7 ESV

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Mar 6, 2021 08:04:45   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
New Testament Bible verses that touch on the matter of immigrants/immigration....

You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and h**e your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you. - Matthew 5:43-44

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. - Matthew 25:35

Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me. - Matthew 25:40

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. - Luke 10:27

Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. - Acts 10:34

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. - Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. - Romans 13:8

Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, s***e and free; but Christ is all and in all. - Colossians 3:11

Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. - Hebrews 13:1-3

Beloved, you do faithfully wh**ever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the t***h. - 3 John 1:5

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.” - Revelation 21:3

And...

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. - Romans 13:1-7 ESV
New Testament Bible verses that touch on the matte... (show quote)


Those don’t touch on immigration. They have nothing to do with it.

People don’t really care about these immigrants, they are merely pawns in the partisan blame game.

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Mar 6, 2021 08:23:41   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
Those don’t touch on immigration. They have nothing to do with it.

People don’t really care about these immigrants, they are merely pawns in the partisan blame game.

Mornin', Rose Before I leave for coffee with my neighbors......

https://www.openbible.info/topics/immigration

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Mar 6, 2021 09:29:08   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Mornin', Rose Before I leave for coffee with my neighbors......

https://www.openbible.info/topics/immigration


Those are general principles for
all, they are not about immigration. Though if people insist they are then one could say all i******s should then be kicked out because they didn’t obey the governing authority.

One can cherry pick verses to try and make a case for almost anything. There is a site that takes verses out of context in an effort to portray God as evil.

Enjoy your coffee.

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Mar 6, 2021 10:14:35   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
Those are general principles for
all, they are not about immigration. Though if people insist they are then one could say all i******s should then be kicked out because they didn’t obey the governing authority.

One can cherry pick verses to try and make a case for almost anything. There is a site that takes verses out of context in an effort to portray God as evil.

Enjoy your coffee.

I wouldn't pretend to disagree with you, Rose, as there is much we agree and/or disagree on. Among others, one thing in particular I admire about you is your Faith. I will say no more, yet offer the following two quotes to somewhat summarize that admiration...

"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. I would not interfere with any one's religion, either to strengthen it or to weaken it. I am not able to believe one's religion can affect his hereafter one way or the other, no matter what that religion may be. But it may easily be a great comfort to him in this life--hence it is a valuable possession to him."- Mark Twain

"I hope I would not be so arrogant as to doubt any one's religion or belief."

BTW, as they were my first cups, the coffee was particularly good this morning.

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Mar 6, 2021 11:16:40   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Michael Gerson

WASHINGTON — The practical effects of the f*****t occupation of the U.S. Capitol building were quickly undone. The symbols it left behind are indelible.

A Confederate f**g waved in triumph in the halls of a building never taken by Jefferson Davis. Guns drawn to protect the floor of the House of Representatives from violent attack. A cloddish barbarian in the presiding officer’s chair. The desecration of democracy under the banner “Jesus Saves.”

This post-apocalyptic vision of chaos and national humiliation was the direct and intended consequence of a president’s incitement. It was made possible by quislings such as Sens. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., and Ted Cruz, R-Tex., who turned a ceremony of continuity into a rallying cry for hatred and treason. In the aftermath, Republican legislators who still don’t support Trump’s immediate removal from office by constitutional means are guilty of continuing complicity.

All this leaves President-elect Joe Biden in a difficult position. Prudence would advise two weeks of patience and then an upbeat attempt to turn the national page. Justice would dictate arresting, trying and imprisoning President Donald Trump for s******n at the soonest possible moment.

As of now, I am in the justice camp. The only way to restore boundaries of law and decency is to enforce them.

The coming weeks will see a gradually arriving reckoning. Political leaders who sought access and influence over the past four years through a political alliance with i**********nists and d******c t*******ts are responsible for unleashing i**********nists and d******c t*******ts. This is true of some Federalist Society conservatives, who cared only about judicial appointments. It is true of some economic conservatives, focused only on tax and regulatory policy. And it is true, above all, of Trump evangelicals, who sought to recover lost social influence through the cynical embrace of corrupt power.

I come back to this group repeatedly, not only because I share an evangelical background and resent those who dishonor it, but because the overwhelming support of evangelicals is the single largest reason that Trump possesses power in the first place. It was their malignant approach to politics that forced our country into its current nightmare. As white nationalists, conspiracy theorists, misogynists, anarchists, criminals and terrorists took hold of the Republican Party, many evangelicals blessed it under the banner “Jesus Saves.”

Jesus had something to say about political deals with the devil: “Get behind me, Satan!” My point is less theological: The political and religious costs of a tight evangelical alliance with violent bigots and crackpots were easily foreseen. I and many others foresaw and foresaw until our fingers ached at the keyboard. Yet Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., Robert Jeffress and the others either shut their eyes or shared in Trumpian hatreds. “There has never been anyone,” said Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, “who has defended us and who has fought for us, who we have loved more than Donald J. Trump. No one!”

“We didn’t v**e for him to be our pastor or our husband,” explained Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America. “We v**ed for him to be our bodyguard.” But what if the bodyguard you hire turns out to be a brutish, bigoted, narcissistic, authoritarian thug who wants to burn down any democratic institution he can’t control? Perhaps the moral character of political bodyguards actually matters. Perhaps evangelicals should not be hiring bodyguards in the first place, but rather supporting moral leaders who seek the common good.

The damage is now done. And it is not my purpose to pick through the ruins of destroyed reputations. It is tempting to call unforgivable the equation of Christian t***h with malice, cruelty, deception, bigotry and s******n. But that statement is itself contradicted by Christian t***h, which places no one beyond forgiveness and affirms that everyone needs grace in different ways. There is a perfectly good set of Christian tools to deal with situations such as these: remorse, repentance, forgiveness, reformation.

The collapse of one disastrous form of Christian social engagement should be an opportunity for the emergence of a more faithful one. And here there are plenty of potent, hopeful Christian principles lying around unused by most evangelicals: a consistent and comprehensive concern for the weak and vulnerable in our society, including the poor, immigrants and refugees. A passion for racial reconciliation and criminal justice reform, rooted in the nonnegotiable demands of human dignity. A deep commitment to public and global health, reflecting the priorities of Christ’s healing ministry. An embrace of political civility as a civilizing norm. A commitment to the liberty of other people’s religions, not just our own. An insistence on public honesty and a belief in the t***sforming power of unarmed t***h.

What would America be like if these had been the priorities of evangelical Christians over the past four years — or over the past four decades? It would mean something very different, in that world, to raise the banner “Jesus Saves.”
By Michael Gerson br br WASHINGTON — The practic... (show quote)

Where do you keep finding this crap?

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Mar 6, 2021 11:20:56   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Where do you keep finding this crap?

Does it matter any more than where some of those with opposing views find their "crap"

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Mar 6, 2021 11:43:00   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
I wouldn't pretend to disagree with you, Rose, as there is much we agree and/or disagree on. Among others, one thing in particular I admire about you is your Faith. I will say no more, yet offer the following two quotes to somewhat summarize that admiration...

"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. I would not interfere with any one's religion, either to strengthen it or to weaken it. I am not able to believe one's religion can affect his hereafter one way or the other, no matter what that religion may be. But it may easily be a great comfort to him in this life--hence it is a valuable possession to him."- Mark Twain

"I hope I would not be so arrogant as to doubt any one's religion or belief."

BTW, as they were my first cups, the coffee was particularly good this morning.
I wouldn't pretend to disagree with you, Rose, as ... (show quote)


I would strongly disagree with the first quote. Christians are told to strengthen each other’s faith and build each other up. Its not a matter of knowing what’s in someone else’s heart, its a matter of knowing the t***h. You can let someone know the t***h but then its up to them what to do with it. If you truly have Christ in your heart you won’t want anyone to be left out of heaven.

Its not arrogance to be able to recognize a false religion. It is arrogance to think you are better than others for what you believe.

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Mar 6, 2021 12:51:07   #
Sicilianthing
 
Rose42 wrote:
Wrong. Whoever is this “we” you speak of is ignorant when it comes to Christ. He was neither liberal nor conservative.


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There it is!

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Mar 6, 2021 12:53:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Where do you keep finding this crap?


>>>

From scumbags full of bullcrap!

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Mar 6, 2021 15:18:39   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
New Testament Bible verses that touch on the matter of immigrants/immigration....

You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall love your neighbor and h**e your enemy’. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you. - Matthew 5:43-44

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. - Matthew 25:35

Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me. - Matthew 25:40

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. - Luke 10:27

Then Peter began to speak to them: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. - Acts 10:34

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers. - Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. - Romans 13:8

Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, s***e and free; but Christ is all and in all. - Colossians 3:11

Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. - Hebrews 13:1-3

Beloved, you do faithfully wh**ever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the t***h. - 3 John 1:5

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them.” - Revelation 21:3

And...

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. - Romans 13:1-7 ESV
New Testament Bible verses that touch on the matte... (show quote)


Context, context, context. Most of those passages deal with helping individuals in need. They say nothing about millions and millions and millions of i******s invited in by scheming Democrats because America is running out of poor people.

I find that last passage to be revealing. Why aren't you sending that to the A****a and B*M peaceful r****rs ?

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Mar 6, 2021 16:41:31   #
Sicilianthing
 
son of witless wrote:
Context, context, context. Most of those passages deal with helping individuals in need. They say nothing about millions and millions and millions of i******s invited in by scheming Democrats because America is running out of poor people.

I find that last passage to be revealing. Why aren't you sending that to the A****a and B*M peaceful r****rs ?


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Can’t wait for him to answer this

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Mar 7, 2021 22:33:15   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Context, context, context. Most of those passages deal with helping individuals in need. They say nothing about millions and millions and millions of i******s invited in by scheming Democrats because America is running out of poor people.

I find that last passage to be revealing. Why aren't you sending that to the A****a and B*M peaceful r****rs ?

Son, you can deny, deny, deny and/or deflect, deflect, deflect all you want. But, those passages and others on the following websites are taken directly from the websites listing Biblical passages on immigration. Remember, I was responding to your challenge for Biblical passages on immigration. Not my words, mind you, but the titles & many various groups on the websites/links provided countless passages. Yet, as I suggested previously, you can't or won't accept answers that don't align with your mindset.

It can be assumed from your response that you consider yourself a more knowledgeable and devout Christian than the groups in the links provided. One also could well assume you consider many Christians other than yourself to be RINOs, or Religious-In-Name-Only.

BTW, I don't contact or hear from A****a or B*M in any way, shape or manner. If they read this forum, they have as much opportunity as you or others to partake in the discussion. Maybe they did receive it.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/immigration

https://www.bing.com/search?q=biblepassagesonimmigration&cvid=39d793ea27044cbaa2ecf858afddee48&aqs=edge..69i57j0.8117j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=HCTS

A note: I spent most of yesterday and today at my son's place south of here enjoying time with him, his wife, my grandchildren and greatgrandchildren.

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Mar 7, 2021 22:49:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Can’t wait for him to answer this

Wait no more, Sici.

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Mar 7, 2021 22:53:14   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wait no more, Sici.


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You’re a pro at deflecting and that’s a sign of compromise and weakness.

Live the dream man, you’re not going to be any help in the coming conflict.

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