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Mar 2, 2021 00:26:45   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
JohnCo wrote:
You write about "i*****l a***ns", "freebies", etc. So I looked it up: I entered this to the DuckDuckGo.com search engine:

i*****l i*******ts benefits

The results say, in part:

"In general, unauthorized immigrants within the United States are not eligible for any federal public benefits, except: Emergency medical treatment under Medicaid, if the individual otherwise meets the eligibility requirements and the medical condition is not related to an organ t***splant procedure"

That's not the whole story, of course; it's just an indication that their access to benefits may be much more limited than your description.

I also did this search:

i*****l i*******ts contribut

and these are some of the results:

"In fact, like all others living and working in the United States, undocumented immigrants are taxpayers too and collectively contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local coffers each year via a combination of sales and excise, personal income, and property taxes, according to Undocumented Immigrants' State and Local Tax Contributions by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy."

"Undocumented immigrants contribute to the economy. It is not only immigrants, who are legally present in the U.S., who are paying taxes. Undocumented immigrants make important contributions as well. An analysis based on the U.S. Census and other data estimated that undocumented immigrants paid $11.7 billion in state and local taxes."

"Research shows that Undocumented immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services."

Aside from reading what organizations have written (as above), how much can an ordinary individual know about i*****l i*******ts (they are not immediately identifiable)? I've seen lots of people who _could_ have been i*****l i*******ts, and I've gotten to know a few, but how would I know their legal status? If they're not volunteering such information then I feel it would be rude of me (also unnecessary) to ask. What I have noticed is that a wide variety of people who either look like they came from some other country, or seem to have limited fluency in English, appear to behave just as honorably and work at least as hard as people who are fluent in English and who look to me like legal citizens. That is, the ones who look like they could be i*****l i*******ts don't behave any worse than ordinary U.S. Americans do, and don't appear to be freeloaders.

The worst-behaving people I've met or seen have been some of the ordinary-looking, ordinary-sounding U.S. Americans.

About me: I grew up in the middle of the U.S.A., speak fluent English, and am a 3rd- or 4th- or 5th-generation U.S. American myself; and I look white like most such people do, and so did my parents and all my grandparents -- all of us have been typical English-speaking middle-class mongrels descended mostly from Western Europeans.
You write about "i*****l a***ns", "... (show quote)


63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
Welfare use is higher for every type of immigrant household than for native households, with the exception of housing programs
The share of immigrant households using at least one welfare program is higher than natives in every top immigrant-receiving state
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

Most i*****l i*******ts in the US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions
U.S. officials expect a million additional i*****l i*******ts this fiscal year, as the Border Patrol is currently apprehending up to 4,000 a day.
Most will claim asylum, entitling them to government benefits.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-migrants-cost-us-taxpayers-billions-a-year

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Mar 2, 2021 23:16:06   #
JohnCo
 
America 1 wrote:
63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
Welfare use is higher for every type of immigrant household than for native households, with the exception of housing programs
The share of immigrant households using at least one welfare program is higher than natives in every top immigrant-receiving state
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

Most i*****l i*******ts in the US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions
U.S. officials expect a million additional i*****l i*******ts this fiscal year, as the Border Patrol is currently apprehending up to 4,000 a day.
Most will claim asylum, entitling them to government benefits.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-migrants-cost-us-taxpayers-billions-a-year
63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Progr... (show quote)


Nicely worded. I am doubtful about the content.

I wondered whether I could discount your sources. I shall quote (about them) from 3 different websites. When I quote from Wikipedia, I'm sure some here will discount _that_ as a source (though I've read it's pretty good, anyway); but I shall also quote from cato.org and mediabiasfactcheck.com.

I immediately felt I could write off "foxnews" (more about them in a few minutes) so first I looked up your other source: cis.org: "Center For Immigration Studies":

"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

"Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.org, Snopes, media outlets such as The Washington Post, CNN and NBC News, and immigration-research organizations. The organization has "significant influence in the [Trump] White House",[3] and has been cited by members of the Trump administration to defend its immigration policies.[4] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes CIS as a h**e group with ties to the American nativist movement.[5] CIS has said that the designation is false and, in January 2019, filed a lawsuit against the SPLC over the question,[6][7] which was dismissed in September 2019.[8][9]"

(That quote is from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies )

The above mentions "FAIR" (as Federation for American Immigration Reform). I remember FAIR is also the acronym for: Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting
(fair.org)
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting is a media criticism organization based in New York City (according to Wikipedia). That's incidental here, but of course I wanted to look it up since the same acronym is used for two almost mutually-antithetical organizations. Maybe that will amuse somebody.

I did not go deep; I just poked around to get a general idea of what the organization might be. Here's another quote about it (this is the one from cato.org):

"SEPTEMBER 29, 2017 1:08PM
"FAIR’s “Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n” Study Is Fatally Flawed

"By Alex Nowrasteh

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is dev**ed to reducing legal and i*****l i*********n. Its recent report, “The Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n on United States Taxpayers (2017)” by Matthew O’Brien, Spencer Raley, and Jack Martin, estimates that the net fiscal costs of i*****l i*********n to U.S. taxpayers is $116 billion. FAIR’s report reaches that conclusion by vastly overstating the costs of i*****l i*********n, undercounting the tax revenue they generate, inflating the number of i*****l i*******ts, counting millions of U.S. citizens as i*****l i*******ts, and by concocting a method of estimating the fiscal costs that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject.

"FAIR’s Errors

"Merely using the correct numbers when it comes to the actual size of the i*****l i*******t population, the correct tax rates, and the effect of immigrants on property values lowers the net fiscal cost by 87 percent to 97 percent, down to $15.6 billion or $3.3 billion, respectively. Below is a list of FAIR’s errors and how the correct numbers affect the results:"

(That's as far as I read in that web page, which is: https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed )

Next I looked at Fox. I've previously heard that Fox News, when pressed, calls itself "entertainment", not "news". The following quotes are from: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ :

"As of October 2018, Fox News has added to their terms of use that they are an entertainment company: “Company furnishes the Company Sites and the Company Services for your personal enjoyment and entertainment.”

"On 6/13/2020 Fox News ran digitally altered images in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."

This one's drier, but from the same web page:

"Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story se******n that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however, straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting."

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Mar 3, 2021 09:35:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JohnCo wrote:
Nicely worded. I am doubtful about the content.

I wondered whether I could discount your sources. I shall quote (about them) from 3 different websites. When I quote from Wikipedia, I'm sure some here will discount _that_ as a source (though I've read it's pretty good, anyway); but I shall also quote from cato.org and mediabiasfactcheck.com.

I immediately felt I could write off "foxnews" (more about them in a few minutes) so first I looked up your other source: cis.org: "Center For Immigration Studies":

"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

"Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.org, Snopes, media outlets such as The Washington Post, CNN and NBC News, and immigration-research organizations. The organization has "significant influence in the [Trump] White House",[3] and has been cited by members of the Trump administration to defend its immigration policies.[4] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes CIS as a h**e group with ties to the American nativist movement.[5] CIS has said that the designation is false and, in January 2019, filed a lawsuit against the SPLC over the question,[6][7] which was dismissed in September 2019.[8][9]"

(That quote is from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies )

The above mentions "FAIR" (as Federation for American Immigration Reform). I remember FAIR is also the acronym for: Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting
(fair.org)
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting is a media criticism organization based in New York City (according to Wikipedia). That's incidental here, but of course I wanted to look it up since the same acronym is used for two almost mutually-antithetical organizations. Maybe that will amuse somebody.

I did not go deep; I just poked around to get a general idea of what the organization might be. Here's another quote about it (this is the one from cato.org):

"SEPTEMBER 29, 2017 1:08PM
"FAIR’s “Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n” Study Is Fatally Flawed

"By Alex Nowrasteh

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is dev**ed to reducing legal and i*****l i*********n. Its recent report, “The Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n on United States Taxpayers (2017)” by Matthew O’Brien, Spencer Raley, and Jack Martin, estimates that the net fiscal costs of i*****l i*********n to U.S. taxpayers is $116 billion. FAIR’s report reaches that conclusion by vastly overstating the costs of i*****l i*********n, undercounting the tax revenue they generate, inflating the number of i*****l i*******ts, counting millions of U.S. citizens as i*****l i*******ts, and by concocting a method of estimating the fiscal costs that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject.

"FAIR’s Errors

"Merely using the correct numbers when it comes to the actual size of the i*****l i*******t population, the correct tax rates, and the effect of immigrants on property values lowers the net fiscal cost by 87 percent to 97 percent, down to $15.6 billion or $3.3 billion, respectively. Below is a list of FAIR’s errors and how the correct numbers affect the results:"

(That's as far as I read in that web page, which is: https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed )

Next I looked at Fox. I've previously heard that Fox News, when pressed, calls itself "entertainment", not "news". The following quotes are from: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ :

"As of October 2018, Fox News has added to their terms of use that they are an entertainment company: “Company furnishes the Company Sites and the Company Services for your personal enjoyment and entertainment.”

"On 6/13/2020 Fox News ran digitally altered images in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."

This one's drier, but from the same web page:

"Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story se******n that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however, straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting."
Nicely worded. I am doubtful about the content. ... (show quote)



great information John,,, thanks...

and welcome to OPP..

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Mar 3, 2021 09:41:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lee Moran
Lee Moran·Reporter, HuffPost
Sat, February 27, 2021, 1:44 AM

A former chair of the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday slammed what the event has now become, suggesting former President Ronald Reagan would not get elected by those in attendance at this year’s gathering.

Mickey Edwards — who led the American Conservative Union, which organizes the event, for five years until 1983 — ripped Republicans attending this year’s CPAC in Orlando for their devotion to former President Donald Trump.

In an interview with CNN’s Erin Burnett, Edwards likened the GOP to a cult whose members are living in an alternate reality.

Edwards served as a GOP representative for Oklahoma for 16 years until 1993 but quit the GOP in January following the deadly U.S. Capitol r**t. The violence was perpetrated by a violent mob of Trump supporters who’d been whipped up by the then-president’s lie that the 2020 e******n was s****n from him.

“The Republican party really no longer stands for any kind of principles, conservative or otherwise,” Edwards told Burnett on Friday.

“The party seems now to be completely following the lead of one man wherever he goes, which is the definition of a cult,” he continued. “Now all that matters is, ‘Trump is for this, we’re for this.’ And that includes denying t***h, denying fact, denying reality. It’s such a disconnect from what’s really happened in the world.”

Edwards said Republicans speaking at this year’s CPAC “are living in an alternate reality in which facts don’t matter, the Constitution doesn’t matter.”

He also minced no words when commenting on current ACU chair Matt Schlapp, who has bought into Trump’s mass v***r f***d lie.

“He doesn’t have the job that I used to have because when I was head of CPAC, it was a group that was based on conservative principles,” said Edwards. “We were strong supporters of the Constitution. We believed in free e******ns. We believed in democracy. These people don’t believe in any of those things.”

“You know, they’re no different than the people who flock to other totalitarian leaders in other countries,” he added. “They’re no different than they are in Hungary, they’re no different than they used to be Germany. Wh**ever their great leader says, they do, and there’s no underpinning of fact, there’s no underpinning or concern about the norms of free democracy.”

Edwards concluded that the CPAC of the Trump era is “not at all the same organization I led.”

“Ronald Reagan could not get elected to anything by the people who were at that CPAC conference this year.”
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/ex-cpac-chair-slams-trump-conference-084450265.html
Lee Moran br Lee Moran·Reporter, HuffPost br Sat, ... (show quote)

Good grief can’y you come up with something new and interesting?? This stuff has really gotten old and boring..
Good grief can’y you come up with something new an...

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Mar 13, 2021 15:26:26   #
rumitoid
 
Is that my fault or the GOP's?

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Mar 13, 2021 23:52:20   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
JohnCo wrote:
Nicely worded. I am doubtful about the content.

I wondered whether I could discount your sources. I shall quote (about them) from 3 different websites. When I quote from Wikipedia, I'm sure some here will discount _that_ as a source (though I've read it's pretty good, anyway); but I shall also quote from cato.org and mediabiasfactcheck.com.

I immediately felt I could write off "foxnews" (more about them in a few minutes) so first I looked up your other source: cis.org: "Center For Immigration Studies":

"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.

"Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.org, Snopes, media outlets such as The Washington Post, CNN and NBC News, and immigration-research organizations. The organization has "significant influence in the [Trump] White House",[3] and has been cited by members of the Trump administration to defend its immigration policies.[4] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes CIS as a h**e group with ties to the American nativist movement.[5] CIS has said that the designation is false and, in January 2019, filed a lawsuit against the SPLC over the question,[6][7] which was dismissed in September 2019.[8][9]"

(That quote is from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies )

The above mentions "FAIR" (as Federation for American Immigration Reform). I remember FAIR is also the acronym for: Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting
(fair.org)
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting is a media criticism organization based in New York City (according to Wikipedia). That's incidental here, but of course I wanted to look it up since the same acronym is used for two almost mutually-antithetical organizations. Maybe that will amuse somebody.

I did not go deep; I just poked around to get a general idea of what the organization might be. Here's another quote about it (this is the one from cato.org):

"SEPTEMBER 29, 2017 1:08PM
"FAIR’s “Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n” Study Is Fatally Flawed

"By Alex Nowrasteh

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is dev**ed to reducing legal and i*****l i*********n. Its recent report, “The Fiscal Burden of I*****l I*********n on United States Taxpayers (2017)” by Matthew O’Brien, Spencer Raley, and Jack Martin, estimates that the net fiscal costs of i*****l i*********n to U.S. taxpayers is $116 billion. FAIR’s report reaches that conclusion by vastly overstating the costs of i*****l i*********n, undercounting the tax revenue they generate, inflating the number of i*****l i*******ts, counting millions of U.S. citizens as i*****l i*******ts, and by concocting a method of estimating the fiscal costs that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject.

"FAIR’s Errors

"Merely using the correct numbers when it comes to the actual size of the i*****l i*******t population, the correct tax rates, and the effect of immigrants on property values lowers the net fiscal cost by 87 percent to 97 percent, down to $15.6 billion or $3.3 billion, respectively. Below is a list of FAIR’s errors and how the correct numbers affect the results:"

(That's as far as I read in that web page, which is: https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed )

Next I looked at Fox. I've previously heard that Fox News, when pressed, calls itself "entertainment", not "news". The following quotes are from: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ :

"As of October 2018, Fox News has added to their terms of use that they are an entertainment company: “Company furnishes the Company Sites and the Company Services for your personal enjoyment and entertainment.”

"On 6/13/2020 Fox News ran digitally altered images in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone."

This one's drier, but from the same web page:

"Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story se******n that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however, straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting."
Nicely worded. I am doubtful about the content. ... (show quote)


key findings
n i*****l i*********n costs u.s. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and
local level. the bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local
governments.
n the annual outlay that i*****l a***ns cost u.s. taxpayers is an annual amount per nativeheaded household of nearly $1,000 after accounting for estimated tax collections. the fiscal
impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on
state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the i*****l a***n population in
that locality
n education for the children of i*****l a***ns constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at
an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and
local governments.
n at the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal
aliens. at the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs
associated with i*****l i*********n is rec**ped through taxes collected from i*****l a***ns.
n most i*****l a***ns do not pay income taxes. among those who do, much of the revenues
collected are refunded to the i*****l a***ns when they file tax returns. many are also claiming
tax credits resulting in payments from the u.s. treasury
https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-08/USCostStudy_2010.pdf

Your taxpayer dollars are footing the spiraling costs of i*****l i*********n
The costs of i*****l i*********n are comprehensive. Even after deducting the $19 billion in taxes paid by i*****l i*******ts, the 12.5 million of them living in the country results in a $116 billion burden on the economy and taxpayers each year. About two-thirds of this amount is absorbed by local and state taxpayers, who are often the least unable to share the costs.
One of the major drivers of the increasing costs is the 4.2 million children of migrants, who automatically become American citizens. Taxpayers are indeed on the hook for over $45 billion in state and federal education spending annually, not to mention the added burden of increased social welfare dollars. Much of the almost $30 billion in medical and assistance funding is sparked by the fact that noncitizen families in the United States are twice as likely to receive welfare payments than native-born families.
A full half of noncitizens receive Medicaid, compared to 23 percent of native-born citizens, while almost half of noncitizens are on food stamps. Of particular concern is that noncitizens who stay in the long term are more likely to use these programs than those who just arrived. Half of the new noncitizens receive welfare, but the figure jumps to a stunning 70 percent among those who have been in the United States for more than 10 years.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/439930-your-taxpayer-dollars-are-footing-the-spiraling-costs-of-illegal-immigration

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Mar 14, 2021 00:20:52   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
rumitoid wrote:

“The party seems now to be completely following the lead of one man wherever he goes, which is the definition of a cult,” he continued. “Now all that matters is, ‘Trump is for this, we’re for this.’ ”


You and this author have it backward. The republican v**ers aren't following Trump's lead. Trump is following the republican v**ers lead. Trump is actually fighting for what the v**ers want. Something the professional republican politicians haven't done in a very long time.

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