olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Zemirah "If your soul is cut from your body, you're dead... physically dead."

I had a chuckle when I read the above. Seems you have most likely stumbled onto a Biblical truth before unknown to you.
Yes, I am a physically dead man walking around in a dead body with a quicken soul just waiting for full and complete salvation when my dead body will be transformed into a glorious body.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:10

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 3:3

It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2 Timothy 2:11

You have said as before said by the serpent, you won't die, but I did.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Genesis 3:4

I'm still patiently waiting for your answers to previously asked question and your money.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I don't perform for readers, Oleg, without a valid request from a specific person,

Anyone who needs a definition of a Biblical term should look it up in a good Study Bible, or two or three, to understand the fullness of the Greek and Hebrew languages when translated into English.

When you look something up for yourself, after praying for edification from the Holy Spirit, you have a much better chance of remembering it, than you will if you merely read a report, with no effort on your part.

Is there something about this Biblical verse you don't understand,Oleg?

1 Corinthians 1:13: "Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?"

Paul was indignant over the very carnal desire motivating denominational thinking. Each congregation was seeking the preeminence of being recognized as the "true church," not grasping that in doing so, it was attempting to usurp the place of Jesus Christ.

Were you baptized in either the name of King James VI of Scotland, or of King James I of England, Oleg?

Who was the King James in power when the King James Version of the Bible, the 5th new English Bible since 1382 was printed?

When Queen Elizabeth I died in 1603, Scotland and England united under King James VI of Scotland who then became King James I of England, the first of the Stuart family line.

Paul put his finger on the problem of naming any Christian group after a man by telling them that Paul had not been crucified for any man.
By extension, neither had Peter nor Apollos. ...nor has anyone since.

To follow a man is to glorify him for what Christ has done for us, thereby usurping the rightful place of Christ. No denomination on earth is the “true church,” because the men who founded those organizations were not crucified for the people, nor did they pay the penalty for the sin of any man.

No matter how good any man may have appeared, he was not a lamb without spot or blemish, so he was not qualified to take the place of Jesus Christ. Any Christian organization should point to Christ, and no one else.

Colossians 2:10-12:
"And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
"In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ [on the cross] and not by human hands.
"And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead."

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Zemirah "I don't perform for readers, Oleg, without a valid request from a specific person,
Anyone who needs a definition of a Biblical term should look it up in a good Study Bible, or two or three, to understand the fullness of the Greek and Hebrew languages when translated into English."

Well I am a specific person so I suppose my request is not valid. Therefore I will review your teachings so far in the hopes of you seeing the confusion.

If a=b then it follows that b=a. We good so far?
You said Abraham was saved just like we are today with Gen 15:6 as your proof text.
Therefore it would follow that we today are saved just like Abraham.
In review of the context of Gen 15:6 Abraham called God his Lord at vs 2 and asked what the Lord God would give him.
The Lord God told Abraham that he, Abraham, would have lots and lots of descendants.
Abraham believed the Lord God that he, Abraham, would have descendants too numerous to count.
So God counted righteousness to Abraham because he, Abraham, believed he would have many descendants.

So now the confusing part.
The only thing we can gain from your teaching Zemirah is that you believe we today are saved (counted righteous) by believing that Abraham did have descendants too numerous to count.
Let's call it the gospel of Zemirah.

I'm quite sure at this juncture you will say I am twisting your words, but hey, I'm just carrying your words to their final conclusion.

I now can see from where springs your rejection of the doctrines of Paul because Paul teaches we should believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ a teaching very different from the gospel of Zemirah.
However you do seem to favor the teachings of Jesus when He walked the earth. Jesus said to keep the Commandments. (Matt 19:17)
So which is it? Keep the Commandments or believe Abraham had lots of kids?

I have said the above in the attempt of making my question as to what religious sect you follow a valid request.

Zemirah "When you look something up for yourself, after praying for edification from the Holy Spirit, you have a much better chance of remembering it, than you will if you merely read a report, with no effort on your part."
Funny, my Bible says scriptural revelation comes by comparing scripture with scripture.
We also see from Eze 14 that God looks in the heart, sees man's own thinking, and then re-enforces the man's feelings.
So one should be very cautious of claiming spiritual revelation.

Zemirah "Paul was indignant over the very carnal desire motivating denominational thinking."
Here I would certainly have to agree and side with Paul.
So again I ask from which denomination do you get the gospel of Zemirah?
Many follow the CHC church. That would be the church of the Chosen Holy Commentary.

Zemirah "Who was the King James in power when the King James Version of the Bible, the 5th new English Bible since 1382 was printed?"
I see your still ragging against the KJB.
Why don't you just stand up and say it is wrong and not the word of God?
I make no qualms about calling the modern versions trash. No secret where I stand. What do you stand for?

Zemirah provided yet another passage teaching different doctrine:
Colossians 2:10-12:
"And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
"In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ [on the cross] and not by human hands.
"And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead."
Compare with:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:12 KJV

You seem to believe man should have faith in the power of God.
I believe in the faith of the operation of God.
Which is it, man's wavering faith or the Faith of Christ? (Gal 2:16 KJB)

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Your rambling is beginning to sound like a cheap salesman’s pitch at attempting to sell a product that he gets paid by commission......I keep expecting your special of the week on a King James Bible!

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Maybe you can supply more comic relief by telling us why all the modern versions contradict themselves at Heb 3:16?

Ok, I understand you enjoy a good laugh so let me give you another.
The claim was made that "Abraham was saved just like us" which is an unbiblical statement, however no one but myself even took notice.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I’m not laughing and you’re not funny.......however, you are a bit obtuse!

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Then it should be very easy to defeat my positions with sound Biblical arguments. But that would require some sound Biblical knowledge not just the limited teachings of a commentary.
The trouble with getting one's theology from a commentary is the writer always has an agenda. Therefore they only present chosen scriptures that support their agenda.

I do admit lacking a degree of intelligence when it comes to the things of God. I'm a long way from being able to read a passage and inform others what God really meant.
I'm so obtuse all I can do is take God at His word so years ago I realized to get the whole council of God, I would need to consider every word of God as it stands.
Therefore I strongly believe God has provided us with His preserved word made available for us today in a form all us obtuse folks can read.

Since you seem to be yet another self-proclaimed intellectual, please tell us why every modern version tells us at Heb 3:16 that Joshua and Caleb did not enter the Promised Land when those same versions tell the opposite at Num 14:30.
I do agree with you that my obtuse, non-intelligent mind cannot fathom why those versions might teach one thing and then later teach the opposite.

You might ask why do I constantly bring up this one passage?
It is because I believe when it comes to the things of God I am very obtuse; but I also strongly believe God is not!
I simply cannot believe that the God of creation, the God of my eternal future can make even one mistake.

Be very careful with that intelligence thing, first thing you know you will think intelligence your final authority.

Rose42

They were defeated. And when faced with the truth you simply denied it. There is no point in continuing because you act as if nothing was said.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

You got all that from my simple statement? 😎. Are you so desirable of an argument that you are willing to assume my side of the argument?

I can’t wait to hear the rest of it! 😏😉

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Sorry I must have missed those posts. Would you point them out for me?
Where is the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God is either explained or shown to be the same.
Where is the post telling who the guest are in Matt 22:10?
Where is the post informing the readers of what is the outer darkness?
Where is the post telling why 5 virgins were taken to the wedding and 5 were not?
Where is the post describing how the wife of the Lamb in Rev 19:7 has made HERSELF ready?
Where is the post explaining why Jesus told one man to keep the Commandments for eternal life?
Where is the post explaining why Matt 24:27 is indeed the pre-Trib Rapture of the Church when the text itself says the things of vs 27 happen after vs 15 which says:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:15 -KJV

Did you notice the part above in parentheses? I don't think those words of the Bible are telling us to get understanding from a commentary.
Do you?

It's been said I am a "bit obtuse", well I am saying when it comes to the things of the GOD of the Bible I am more than a bit, I am completely dumb!
All I know is what I read, however from what I've seen there are those here who have never considered the above topics.
Kind of reminds me of that movie title Dumb and Dumber.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

You’re going to have to work on your “Sweet Talking!” 😅

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

I would enjoy hearing your side. And so far as my sweet talking, that's how I came but soon found out that's now this bunch operates.
From the first all I heard back was that I was wrong and given a list of commentaries, not Biblical scriptures, but selected commentaries I should read and then an uneducated person like myself would see things correctly.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

You've been fully answered, ad nauseam, Oleg.

You lack the capacity to receive it.

Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another.

Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God.



You are not physically "a dead man walking", as you claim to be.

Physically dead men do not walk.

You are, as usual, by your own choice, wrong.

Being dead to sin is not being physically dead. It means you are no longer a slave to sin, through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

God has made a measure of common sense available to you, and you should be frantically searching it out.

That is far preferable than is "chuckling" yourself into idiocy.

When God told Adam and Eve they would die, He meant their bodies would begin the aging process at the moment they disobeyed Him, not that they would instantly drop dead.

In lieu of the application of common sense, however, Romans 8:10, in modern English for clarity, for they are truer to the full meaning of the original Greek, than is the King James:

"But if Christ is in you, though your body must die because of sin, yet your spirit has Life because of righteousness." (WNT)

"But if Christ lives in you, the Spirit is life for you because you have been put right with God, even though your bodies are going to die because of sin." (GNT)

"But Christ lives in you. So you are alive because God has accepted you, even though your bodies must die because of your sins." (CEV)

"And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God" (NLT)

olegig Loc: Texas panhandle

Zemirah "You've been fully answered, ad nauseam, Oleg."
Ok, I get your getting sick of ignoring most and answering what is in your comfort zone. However all these topics are Biblical. But I will acknowledge getting sic of asking. Quite frankly I don't think you have a clue as to how to address the meat of scripture.
Where is my $1,000 from my request based on Matt 5:42?
Where is the post telling who the guest are in Matt 22:10?
Where is the post informing the readers of what is the outer darkness?
Where is the post telling why 5 virgins were taken to the wedding and 5 were not?
Where is the post describing how the wife of the Lamb in Rev 19:7 has made HERSELF ready?
Where is the post explaining why Jesus told one man to keep the Commandments for eternal life?
Where is the post explaining why Matt 24:27 is indeed the pre-Trib Rapture of the Church when the text itself says the things of vs 27 happen after vs 15 which says:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:15 -KJV

And please feel free to use any chosen version you need for clarity in addressing according to Heb 3:16 did anyone who followed Moses out of Egypt go into the Promised Land?

Zemirah "When God told Adam and Eve they would die, He meant their bodies would begin the aging process at the moment they disobeyed Him, not that they would instantly drop dead."
Sorry, I can't quite muster a chuckle here, but I am impressed by the arrogance required to tell God what He really meant.
Did you ever stop to think maybe God is telling us how he sees a lost person, that they are dead to Him?

Rose42