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Feb 22, 2021 23:32:14   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
currahee506 wrote:
Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Pol Pot enforced "gun control."


Big deal! So did Wyatt Earp! Does that make him a F*****t or a N**i like Hitler, or a C*******t, like those other guys? I don't think so.

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Feb 23, 2021 00:22:39   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Here we go with the old "Red Menace" argument to discredit anyone whose beliefs, opinions, or policies are different.

Years ago, a lot of people, especially white people in the South, thought that the Civil Rights movement was C*******t-inspired.

The same thing was said about the protests against the Vietnam War, the anti-pollution crusade, the Women's Lib movement, the Gay Rights campaign, the efforts to pass the Equal Rights Amendment, the quest for affordable healthcare, and so on.

Now it's sensible gun control laws that are being linked with those "dirty C****es."

People like you are so paranoid about C*******m, that it's robbed you of your common sense and your ability to think clearly and reasonably. You're just as bad as J. Edgar Hoover and Senator Joseph McCarthy.

I suppose you think Wyatt Earp was a C*******t because he made a law that anyone who came into Tombstone, Arizona, had to register their guns at Earp's office. In fact, the legendary Gunfight at the OK Corral was a gun control incident, because Earp, his brothers, and his friend, "Doc" Holiday, were attempting to disarm the Clanton Brothers, who had come into town without registering their guns.
Here we go with the old "Red Menace" arg... (show quote)


Such it was in the movie.

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Feb 23, 2021 00:35:50   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second Amendment." They're afraid of certain misguided persons who twist and distort the Second Amendment beyond all recognition, and who think that it gives any lunatic or i***t an absolute right to have as many guns as he or she wants, for any reason. Well, nothing could be further from the t***h.

What the Second Amendment actually says is "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." In other words, the Amendment only applies to the right of each state and its people "to keep and bear arms" only for the purpose of maintaining a "well regulated M*****a" for their own protection, like in case of r**ting or domestic i**********n. It was never intended to give just about anybody a license to own guns, especially if he or she is the kind of person who should never be trusted with firearms, like, for example, a person with a record for violent crime, or a history of mental illness that makes that person violent, or someone with a penchant for family violence or abuse.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country just don't understand this concept, because they've been lied to, especially by groups like the National Rifle Association (N.R.A.). A lot of its members are people with very little education, including knowledge of the Constitution, and the leaders pander to that sort of ignorance. For instance, their official magazine (and no doubt their official website) list only the second part of the Second Amendment, which talks about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms," but it leaves out the first part, which mentions the "well regulated M*****a." Thus, the gullible members of the N.R.A. are tricked into believing that the Second Amendment applies to them, even if they aren't members of a state M*****a. It's this twisted mentality that makes them h**eful and suspicious of anyone who favors common sense gun laws designed to keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. It's people such as these that gun control laws are directed at, and not legitimate gun owners, like the anti-gun control crowd would have us all believe. As a matter of fact, legitimate gun owners are actually among the biggest SUPPORTERS of gun control! Of course, the N.R.A. will never admit that, because it would discredit their claim that they merely represent "law-abiding citizens" who just happen to own guns.

Besides, many people believe that the pro-gun groups don't really care about the Second Amendment, that they actually support the interests of gun manufacturers, who make money from making and selling guns, even to criminals! It's like how, during the so-called "Cold War," certain parties exaggerated the supposed "military buildup" by the Soviet Union in order to justify increased military spending on our part, because it was PROFITABLE for the big business defense contractors, better known as the Military-Industrial Complex, as President Eisenhower called it.

Let's face facts. CERTAIN PEOPLE JUST CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH GUNS, like the ones responsible for all these mass shootings! (Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc) It's as simple as that.
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second A... (show quote)


You are mistaken. We absolutely understand what you are saying. We just reject it. You are correct in what the 2ndA says, but wrong in your interpretation. What you are claiming is that the amendment says 'you can keep and bear arms so that you can form m*****as'. Whereas what it is REALLY saying is that 'm*****as are needed and necessary, therefore government may NOT limit the right to keep and bear arms.'
Two entirely different meanings. Like l*****ts in general, you appear to like to justify your personal prejudices by redefining what was said and what was intended.
The majority of Americans agree with me.
More importantly, the Federalist papers clearly indicate my interpretation of the 2ndA, and not yours.
Furthermore, the SCOTUS agrees with my interpretation of the 2ndA, and not yours.
What you have stated is an deliberate misinterpretation of the 2ndA for the purpose of bypassing the Law of the Land. Under the current l*****t political philosophy, you are not only wrong, but are guilty of s******n and inciting i**********n. Please turn yourself in to the nearest gun club for reprograming.
Or an alternative, seek out some of my other posts comparing firearm deaths to those caused by alcohol, drugs, vehicles, and bicycles.
The one statement you made that is accurate is that some people should not be trusted with firearms. What you missed is that YOUR side can not be trusted to make that determination. Every State has such a process. Every single one of the mass shootings involved multiple felonies, and missed opportunities for the authorities to intervene. Most involved mental illness and some involved family members empowering the evil actions.
I went through a fairly serious process to buy my weapons, and a much more pervasive one to get my Texas License to Carry. It is not a perfect process, but it is far better than any of the left's goal, which is to eliminate firearms under any circumstances. Any of you l*****ts weapon owners who think otherwise are kidding yourselves.
Remember this: the 2ndA is the freedom that insures ALL the rest of our freedoms. Not the President. Not Congress. Not SCOTUS. And not our laws. Just the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

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Feb 23, 2021 00:44:12   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Such it was in the movie.


What movie?

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Feb 23, 2021 01:08:50   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
What movie?


Take your pick. Tombstone or Wyatt Earp. Any of the various makes and remakes. You know, where you got your "facts" about gun control in the old west.

You are right, somewhat, about much of our civil rights struggles being blamed on c*******ts, either real or imagined. The difference today is that they no longer hide it.....they revel in it.

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Feb 23, 2021 01:32:14   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
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Feb 23, 2021 04:53:41   #
Big Kahuna
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Nobody is trying to "silence the majority" or "take their weapons." They're just trying to keep them out of the hands of maniacs who would use them to k**l or injure innocent people.

I would expect crazy talk like that from a woman who looks like a Barbie doll.


Maniacs abound in our country at this time. Most are l*****ts with mental disorders. We should start rounding these maniacs up and keep them from harming innocents, our Constitutional rights and liberty loving Americans. Get in the queue, pick a number and wait for authorities to pick you up.

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Feb 23, 2021 04:57:57   #
Big Kahuna
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Big deal! So did Wyatt Earp! Does that make him a F*****t or a N**i like Hitler, or a C*******t, like those other guys? I don't think so.


Those n**i' s and c****es murdered millions. Wyatt Earp, not so many. Big difference and you should not be so foolish as to put this group of murderers with Wyatt.

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Feb 23, 2021 07:19:15   #
American Vet
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second Amendment." They're afraid of certain misguided persons who twist and distort the Second Amendment beyond all recognition, and who think that it gives any lunatic or i***t an absolute right to have as many guns as he or she wants, for any reason. Well, nothing could be further from the t***h.

What the Second Amendment actually says is "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." In other words, the Amendment only applies to the right of each state and its people "to keep and bear arms" only for the purpose of maintaining a "well regulated M*****a" for their own protection, like in case of r**ting or domestic i**********n. It was never intended to give just about anybody a license to own guns, especially if he or she is the kind of person who should never be trusted with firearms, like, for example, a person with a record for violent crime, or a history of mental illness that makes that person violent, or someone with a penchant for family violence or abuse.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country just don't understand this concept, because they've been lied to, especially by groups like the National Rifle Association (N.R.A.). A lot of its members are people with very little education, including knowledge of the Constitution, and the leaders pander to that sort of ignorance. For instance, their official magazine (and no doubt their official website) list only the second part of the Second Amendment, which talks about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms," but it leaves out the first part, which mentions the "well regulated M*****a." Thus, the gullible members of the N.R.A. are tricked into believing that the Second Amendment applies to them, even if they aren't members of a state M*****a. It's this twisted mentality that makes them h**eful and suspicious of anyone who favors common sense gun laws designed to keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. It's people such as these that gun control laws are directed at, and not legitimate gun owners, like the anti-gun control crowd would have us all believe. As a matter of fact, legitimate gun owners are actually among the biggest SUPPORTERS of gun control! Of course, the N.R.A. will never admit that, because it would discredit their claim that they merely represent "law-abiding citizens" who just happen to own guns.

Besides, many people believe that the pro-gun groups don't really care about the Second Amendment, that they actually support the interests of gun manufacturers, who make money from making and selling guns, even to criminals! It's like how, during the so-called "Cold War," certain parties exaggerated the supposed "military buildup" by the Soviet Union in order to justify increased military spending on our part, because it was PROFITABLE for the big business defense contractors, better known as the Military-Industrial Complex, as President Eisenhower called it.

Let's face facts. CERTAIN PEOPLE JUST CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH GUNS, like the ones responsible for all these mass shootings! (Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc) It's as simple as that.
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second A... (show quote)


Fortunately, the SCOTUS disagrees with your uneducated opinions.

https://reason.com/2019/11/03/what-is-a-well-regulated-m*****a-anyway/

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Feb 23, 2021 16:19:56   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Here we go with the old "Red Menace" argument to discredit anyone whose beliefs, opinions, or policies are different.

Years ago, a lot of people, especially white people in the South, thought that the Civil Rights movement was C*******t-inspired.

The same thing was said about the protests against the Vietnam War, the anti-pollution crusade, the Women's Lib movement, the Gay Rights campaign, the efforts to pass the Equal Rights Amendment, the quest for affordable healthcare, and so on.

Now it's sensible gun control laws that are being linked with those "dirty C****es."

People like you are so paranoid about C*******m, that it's robbed you of your common sense and your ability to think clearly and reasonably. You're just as bad as J. Edgar Hoover and Senator Joseph McCarthy.

I suppose you think Wyatt Earp was a C*******t because he made a law that anyone who came into Tombstone, Arizona, had to register their guns at Earp's office. In fact, the legendary Gunfight at the OK Corral was a gun control incident, because Earp, his brothers, and his friend, "Doc" Holiday, were attempting to disarm the Clanton Brothers, who had come into town without registering their guns.
Here we go with the old "Red Menace" arg... (show quote)


There’s the Rumi that we know and love! 🤗

NRA bad! ———————— Check!

South/Southerns bad ———————— Check Check!

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Feb 23, 2021 16:31:43   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Nobody is trying to "silence the majority" or "take their weapons." They're just trying to keep them out of the hands of maniacs who would use them to k**l or injure innocent people.

I would expect crazy talk like that from a woman who looks like a Barbie doll.


You are much better than this! 👿

You know good and well that she is one of the most fair minded people on this forum! We have one totally nut case, don’t crawl in the gutter with her! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Feb 23, 2021 18:48:17   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Knowing something of the ease of data manipulation, I would like to see the data supporting those conclusions. An easy example for the poorly informed, what exactly did this supposed report classify as a "right wing extremist" and what was classified as "domestic terrorism"? Questioning v**er validity is now called s******n. Murder and property destruction and attacks on federal buildings is called free speech. Exactly the same thing, when done under the cover of a right wing political rally on J*** 6, is called an i**********n. So define the terms used in the report please. The idea that this is from the Trump administration is a sure sign of ignorance. Trump did not "clean" his administration of all officials opposing his policies like President Obama did, and President Biden is now doing. I wish he would have. The primary cause of his failure to get reelected was his own party sabotaging his agenda every chance they could.
I do not own an AR weapon, but it is simply a semi-automatic rifle that can, not always does, use a large clip. Calling it an assault weapon, or a weapon of war, is simply ignorance on parade. I do own weapons for my personal defense, and the defense of friends and family and home. Personally, I prefer concealed carry, even though I am licensed for open carry. Some people do, unfortunately, get nervous around weapons, and I prefer not to give them obvious reasons to be nervous. But that is my personal choice. I think torn up "skinny" jeans are stupid and slightly offensive. I think wearing pants around your knees with exposed underwear is ridiculous and hilarious. I think bumper stickers and T-shirts with four letter obscenities are highly offensive and d********g and not done by a decent person. Nevertheless, I have never and will never attempt to ban any of these, or "cancel" them, or make them illegal. Personal choice. If someone wants to open carry a weapon in a legal manner, that, too, is a personal choice, and none of anyone else's business.

Now, let's talk about the supposed deadliness of personal firearms. Please feel free to look up the data yourself.
Even when you count in EVERY single firearm fatality, including accidental discharges, hunting accidents, and suicides, the death rate is a tiny tiny fraction of one percent.
Do you drink alcohol? Use recreational drugs? Then you contribute to the huge number of people, and children too, that are k**led by drug misuse, alcohol misuse, and DUIs. Why aren't you fighting to ban THOSE activities?
Do you drive a vehicle? Do you know how many people are murdered each year by the deliberate use of vehicles? Far far more that using firearms. Let's ban driving, as well.
Do you smoke? Do you allow others to smoke in you presence? The tobacco industry has been lying to us for a hundred years about the hazards of smoking. Do you know how many Americans die each year from smoking related heart disease and cancer? It must be banned NOW! Right? "If even one child is saved....." well, you know that line of thinking.
And not ONE of the above listed massively deadly activities is protected in the Constitution. But personal ownership of firearms, and carrying them, and using them, certainly is.
More people are k**led each year riding bicycles than die from non-military firearm use and accidents.
And that is not even taking into account the several MILLION felony assaults by criminals that are STOPPED every year by the use of personal defense firearms.
It is so amazing that the left is all into "critical race theory" when they have not yet mastered simple "critical thinking."
Knowing something of the ease of data manipulation... (show quote)



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Feb 23, 2021 19:19:45   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Joe Biden Democrat gets confused, on anything over 20 and lies his ass off.
1.2 billion dollars + gaffs, entertaining and stupid funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slm5bvO-_5I&t=1s
Joe Biden's Bloopers, Blunders, and Gaffes: The TOP 30 Countdown!
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Feb 23, 2021 22:01:15   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
LOL!
Is this meme the liberal notion of a reasoned rebuttal??
Why am I not surprised.

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Feb 24, 2021 07:13:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
Nobody is trying to "silence the majority" or "take their weapons." They're just trying to keep them out of the hands of maniacs who would use them to k**l or injure innocent people.

I would expect crazy talk like that from a woman who looks like a Barbie doll.


And I would expect such a reply from the little boy of the bronx~~

Not having read this entire thread I’ll opt others have tried to educate you a bit so if what I say here is redundant then just take it as a need to read it again for comprehension...

Supreme Court~~ The Court ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution confersan individual right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense. It also ruled that two District of Columbia provisions, one that banned handguns and one that required lawful firearms in the home to be disassembled or trigger-locked, unconstitutional.. In cases in the 19th Century, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment does not bar state regulation of firearms...

Amendment does not bar state regulation of firearms. For example, in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), the Court stated that the Second Amendment “has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government,” and in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886), the Court reiterated that the Second Amendment “is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the National government, and not upon that of the States.” Although most of the rights in the Bill of Rights have been selectively incorporated into the rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment and thus cannot be impaired by state governments, the Second Amendment has never been so incorporated. UPDATE: In McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), the Supreme Court addressed this issue, ruling that Second Amendment rights are applicable to states through the Fourteenth Amendment...

Now pay special attention to the Parker case I reference below when you look it up... It addresses some of your concerns of those not fit to have a right of ownership of a weapon..Just a hint for you..😉

Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote the Court first conducted a textual analysis of the operative clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The Court found that this language guarantees an individual right to possess and carry weapons. The Court examined historical evidence that it found consistent with its textual analysis. The Court then considered the Second Amendment’s prefatory clause, "[a] well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State," and determined that while this clause announces a purpose for recognizing an individual right to keep and bear arms, it does not limit the operative clause. The Court found that analogous contemporaneous provisions in state constitutions, the Second Amendment’s drafting history, and post ratification interpretations were consistent with its interpretation of the amendment... The Court asserted that its prior precedent was not inconsistent with its interpretation... Imagine that...

The Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation, such as concealed weapons prohibitions, limits on the rights of felons and the mentally ill, laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations, Etcetcetc...
It stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment.

District of Columbia v. Heller,
United States v. Miller
Parker v. District of Columbia/Supreme Court of the United States.....

Finally, this Barbie Doll suggests perhaps visiting with Ken who may be able to shed some light on proper Etiquette techniques when replying to others rather than trying to fly on “your perceived perception of self grandiosity..”

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