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Feb 22, 2021 06:26:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Knowing something of the ease of data manipulation, I would like to see the data supporting those conclusions. An easy example for the poorly informed, what exactly did this supposed report classify as a "right wing extremist" and what was classified as "domestic terrorism"? Questioning v**er validity is now called s******n. Murder and property destruction and attacks on federal buildings is called free speech. Exactly the same thing, when done under the cover of a right wing political rally on J*** 6, is called an i**********n. So define the terms used in the report please. The idea that this is from the Trump administration is a sure sign of ignorance. Trump did not "clean" his administration of all officials opposing his policies like President Obama did, and President Biden is now doing. I wish he would have. The primary cause of his failure to get reelected was his own party sabotaging his agenda every chance they could.
I do not own an AR weapon, but it is simply a semi-automatic rifle that can, not always does, use a large clip. Calling it an assault weapon, or a weapon of war, is simply ignorance on parade. I do own weapons for my personal defense, and the defense of friends and family and home. Personally, I prefer concealed carry, even though I am licensed for open carry. Some people do, unfortunately, get nervous around weapons, and I prefer not to give them obvious reasons to be nervous. But that is my personal choice. I think torn up "skinny" jeans are stupid and slightly offensive. I think wearing pants around your knees with exposed underwear is ridiculous and hilarious. I think bumper stickers and T-shirts with four letter obscenities are highly offensive and d********g and not done by a decent person. Nevertheless, I have never and will never attempt to ban any of these, or "cancel" them, or make them illegal. Personal choice. If someone wants to open carry a weapon in a legal manner, that, too, is a personal choice, and none of anyone else's business.

Now, let's talk about the supposed deadliness of personal firearms. Please feel free to look up the data yourself.
Even when you count in EVERY single firearm fatality, including accidental discharges, hunting accidents, and suicides, the death rate is a tiny tiny fraction of one percent.
Do you drink alcohol? Use recreational drugs? Then you contribute to the huge number of people, and children too, that are k**led by drug misuse, alcohol misuse, and DUIs. Why aren't you fighting to ban THOSE activities?
Do you drive a vehicle? Do you know how many people are murdered each year by the deliberate use of vehicles? Far far more that using firearms. Let's ban driving, as well.
Do you smoke? Do you allow others to smoke in you presence? The tobacco industry has been lying to us for a hundred years about the hazards of smoking. Do you know how many Americans die each year from smoking related heart disease and cancer? It must be banned NOW! Right? "If even one child is saved....." well, you know that line of thinking.
And not ONE of the above listed massively deadly activities is protected in the Constitution. But personal ownership of firearms, and carrying them, and using them, certainly is.
More people are k**led each year riding bicycles than die from non-military firearm use and accidents.
And that is not even taking into account the several MILLION felony assaults by criminals that are STOPPED every year by the use of personal defense firearms.
It is so amazing that the left is all into "critical race theory" when they have not yet mastered simple "critical thinking."
Knowing something of the ease of data manipulation... (show quote)


👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well said and Thank You for it as well!! A pleasure reading your posts..

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Feb 22, 2021 06:56:14   #
Big Kahuna
 
2bltap wrote:
I am asking a very straight forward question here. Why has the progressive democrats over the years been so damn afraid of the 2nd Amendment? Why are they so damn scared of the average American being able to own fire arms? I do know that many progressive democrats own fire arms for use of sport, hunting and personal protection. So why in the dickens are they so afraid of law abiding citizens just like themselves owning fire arms? I know that they enjoy having them and quite frankly thousands and thousands of them are now purchasing them in massive numbers. But yet here we have Biden trying to use his executive pen to stifle it. So what are they so afraid of? I am asking a very simple question. So can anyone here on OPP give a straight answer to this? And by the way AR15's are NOT weapons of war!
Mike

https://youtu.be/jzoTUQg3ooI
I am asking a very straight forward question here.... (show quote)


Anything that is hard and looks like or could represent a penis would be scary to all demorats. All demorat women fear guns because of this and the fairyboys who are progressives also fall into the fearmongering category Think of ovommit, George stepalloverus, beta boy O'Rourke, Anderson Cooper and Pete Buttplug as 4 examples of gungrabbers and fearmongerers.

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Feb 22, 2021 10:38:20   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Gatsby wrote:
I'm glad that you brought up "Parkland". Nicolas Cruz, and the carnage that he created, are a shining example
of your "bleeding heart" liberal policies in education and law enforcement.

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School was paid off, in Cold hard Cash, for keeping Cruz out of Court.
Had laws on the books been ENFORCED instead of being CIRCUMVENTED, that mass murder would not
have happened.

Where are your "common sense" solutions to the real problems that liberal policies have wrought.
I'm glad that you brought up "Parkland".... (show quote)


Completely On Obama and former Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel's policies.
Sheriff's office called multiple time with complaints and ignored. schools rewarded by Obama for not reporting troublesome students.
Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows
Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.
Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.
If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.
https://fee.org/articles/guns-prevent-thousands-of-crimes-every-day-research-show/

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Feb 22, 2021 14:43:26   #
Carol Kelly
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Mike, I have an opinion, though I can not prove it. But 50 years of observation provides a LOT of circumstantial evidence. I think the democrat party, and l*****ts in general, are afraid of the limits that an armed population places on their powers to do what they want in our country. Simple as that. If they can disarm the citizenry, they will no longer have to fear the consequences of displeasing us too much. Everything they say and do about the 2ndA is nothing but rationalization. The true goal is to disarm all Americans. Self defense will be illegal. Shooting sports will be forbidden. Even hunting tools will be severely controlled and monitored on a federal level, if they get their way.
Mike, I have an opinion, though I can not prove it... (show quote)


You and Gatsby have a handle on this situation. I agree as would anyone with good sense. Gun owners and conservatives are not prone to rise up and try to take power.

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Feb 22, 2021 20:57:17   #
martsiva
 
Biden and his ilk have a c*******t agenda and they know dam well freedom loving Americans will rebel against them! Before, all they kept saying was that disarming people was about gun violence but now we all know the real reason for them wanting Americans disarmed!! We also now know the real reason why they have fortified DC!

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Feb 22, 2021 21:22:16   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
We are not afraid of 2A. We are a bit nervous about the psychos who think they need guns. I know 1 (one) gun owner who is not a threat to anyone anywhere. He's also pretty far left of me. All of the others, well, shoot them all and let Shim sort it out.

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Feb 22, 2021 21:42:02   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Arya Stark wrote:
We are not afraid of 2A. We are a bit nervous about the psychos who think they need guns. I know 1 (one) gun owner who is not a threat to anyone anywhere. He's also pretty far left of me. All of the others, well, shoot them all and let Shim sort it out.


Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows
Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.
Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.

If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

Another excellent source of information on this topic (and many more current issues) is the Gun Control page at JustFacts.org. (Full disclosure: I serve on the board of directors of JustFacts because I believe in the organization’s objectiveness, accuracy, and integrity.)
https://fee.org/articles/guns-prevent-thousands-of-crimes-every-day-research-show/

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Feb 22, 2021 21:48:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Arya Stark wrote:
We are not afraid of 2A. We are a bit nervous about the psychos who think they need guns. I know 1 (one) gun owner who is not a threat to anyone anywhere. He's also pretty far left of me. All of the others, well, shoot them all and let Shim sort it out.


Oh, brother. Not much else to say about THAT unhinged paragraph.

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Feb 22, 2021 22:14:04   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Oh, brother. Not much else to say about THAT unhinged paragraph.


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Feb 22, 2021 22:33:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
2bltap wrote:
I am asking a very straight forward question here. Why has the progressive democrats over the years been so damn afraid of the 2nd Amendment? Why are they so damn scared of the average American being able to own fire arms? I do know that many progressive democrats own fire arms for use of sport, hunting and personal protection. So why in the dickens are they so afraid of law abiding citizens just like themselves owning fire arms? I know that they enjoy having them and quite frankly thousands and thousands of them are now purchasing them in massive numbers. But yet here we have Biden trying to use his executive pen to stifle it. So what are they so afraid of? I am asking a very simple question. So can anyone here on OPP give a straight answer to this? And by the way AR15's are NOT weapons of war!
Mike

https://youtu.be/jzoTUQg3ooI
I am asking a very straight forward question here.... (show quote)


They want the sign, "gun free zone," to mean something, as in, come and get us!

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Feb 22, 2021 22:53:34   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
2bltap wrote:
I am asking a very straight forward question here. Why has the progressive democrats over the years been so damn afraid of the 2nd Amendment? Why are they so damn scared of the average American being able to own fire arms? I do know that many progressive democrats own fire arms for use of sport, hunting and personal protection. So why in the dickens are they so afraid of law abiding citizens just like themselves owning fire arms? I know that they enjoy having them and quite frankly thousands and thousands of them are now purchasing them in massive numbers. But yet here we have Biden trying to use his executive pen to stifle it. So what are they so afraid of? I am asking a very simple question. So can anyone here on OPP give a straight answer to this? And by the way AR15's are NOT weapons of war!
Mike

https://youtu.be/jzoTUQg3ooI
I am asking a very straight forward question here.... (show quote)


The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second Amendment." They're afraid of certain misguided persons who twist and distort the Second Amendment beyond all recognition, and who think that it gives any lunatic or i***t an absolute right to have as many guns as he or she wants, for any reason. Well, nothing could be further from the t***h.

What the Second Amendment actually says is "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." In other words, the Amendment only applies to the right of each state and its people "to keep and bear arms" only for the purpose of maintaining a "well regulated M*****a" for their own protection, like in case of r**ting or domestic i**********n. It was never intended to give just about anybody a license to own guns, especially if he or she is the kind of person who should never be trusted with firearms, like, for example, a person with a record for violent crime, or a history of mental illness that makes that person violent, or someone with a penchant for family violence or abuse.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country just don't understand this concept, because they've been lied to, especially by groups like the National Rifle Association (N.R.A.). A lot of its members are people with very little education, including knowledge of the Constitution, and the leaders pander to that sort of ignorance. For instance, their official magazine (and no doubt their official website) list only the second part of the Second Amendment, which talks about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms," but it leaves out the first part, which mentions the "well regulated M*****a." Thus, the gullible members of the N.R.A. are tricked into believing that the Second Amendment applies to them, even if they aren't members of a state M*****a. It's this twisted mentality that makes them h**eful and suspicious of anyone who favors common sense gun laws designed to keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. It's people such as these that gun control laws are directed at, and not legitimate gun owners, like the anti-gun control crowd would have us all believe. As a matter of fact, legitimate gun owners are actually among the biggest SUPPORTERS of gun control! Of course, the N.R.A. will never admit that, because it would discredit their claim that they merely represent "law-abiding citizens" who just happen to own guns.

Besides, many people believe that the pro-gun groups don't really care about the Second Amendment, that they actually support the interests of gun manufacturers, who make money from making and selling guns, even to criminals! It's like how, during the so-called "Cold War," certain parties exaggerated the supposed "military buildup" by the Soviet Union in order to justify increased military spending on our part, because it was PROFITABLE for the big business defense contractors, better known as the Military-Industrial Complex, as President Eisenhower called it.

Let's face facts. CERTAIN PEOPLE JUST CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH GUNS, like the ones responsible for all these mass shootings! (Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc) It's as simple as that.

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Feb 22, 2021 23:02:07   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Mike, I have an opinion, though I can not prove it. But 50 years of observation provides a LOT of circumstantial evidence. I think the democrat party, and l*****ts in general, are afraid of the limits that an armed population places on their powers to do what they want in our country. Simple as that. If they can disarm the citizenry, they will no longer have to fear the consequences of displeasing us too much. Everything they say and do about the 2ndA is nothing but rationalization. The true goal is to disarm all Americans. Self defense will be illegal. Shooting sports will be forbidden. Even hunting tools will be severely controlled and monitored on a federal level, if they get their way.
Mike, I have an opinion, though I can not prove it... (show quote)


That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! You yourself admit that you can't prove what you're saying. So, you shouldn't make wild accusations and theories like that.

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Feb 22, 2021 23:07:01   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
lindajoy wrote:
First you silence the majority and then take their weapons..If we are unable to defend ourself it makes it easier for government to control us... That simple yet exceptionally dangerous!!! For whom is the question...


Nobody is trying to "silence the majority" or "take their weapons." They're just trying to keep them out of the hands of maniacs who would use them to k**l or injure innocent people.

I would expect crazy talk like that from a woman who looks like a Barbie doll.

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Feb 22, 2021 23:11:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second Amendment." They're afraid of certain misguided persons who twist and distort the Second Amendment beyond all recognition, and who think that it gives any lunatic or i***t an absolute right to have as many guns as he or she wants, for any reason. Well, nothing could be further from the t***h.

What the Second Amendment actually says is "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." In other words, the Amendment only applies to the right of each state and its people "to keep and bear arms" only for the purpose of maintaining a "well regulated M*****a" for their own protection, like in case of r**ting or domestic i**********n. It was never intended to give just about anybody a license to own guns, especially if he or she is the kind of person who should never be trusted with firearms, like, for example, a person with a record for violent crime, or a history of mental illness that makes that person violent, or someone with a penchant for family violence or abuse.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country just don't understand this concept, because they've been lied to, especially by groups like the National Rifle Association (N.R.A.). A lot of its members are people with very little education, including knowledge of the Constitution, and the leaders pander to that sort of ignorance. For instance, their official magazine (and no doubt their official website) list only the second part of the Second Amendment, which talks about "the right of the people to keep and bear arms," but it leaves out the first part, which mentions the "well regulated M*****a." Thus, the gullible members of the N.R.A. are tricked into believing that the Second Amendment applies to them, even if they aren't members of a state M*****a. It's this twisted mentality that makes them h**eful and suspicious of anyone who favors common sense gun laws designed to keep firearms out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. It's people such as these that gun control laws are directed at, and not legitimate gun owners, like the anti-gun control crowd would have us all believe. As a matter of fact, legitimate gun owners are actually among the biggest SUPPORTERS of gun control! Of course, the N.R.A. will never admit that, because it would discredit their claim that they merely represent "law-abiding citizens" who just happen to own guns.

Besides, many people believe that the pro-gun groups don't really care about the Second Amendment, that they actually support the interests of gun manufacturers, who make money from making and selling guns, even to criminals! It's like how, during the so-called "Cold War," certain parties exaggerated the supposed "military buildup" by the Soviet Union in order to justify increased military spending on our part, because it was PROFITABLE for the big business defense contractors, better known as the Military-Industrial Complex, as President Eisenhower called it.

Let's face facts. CERTAIN PEOPLE JUST CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH GUNS, like the ones responsible for all these mass shootings! (Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc) It's as simple as that.
The Democrats are not "afraid of the Second A... (show quote)


The "m*****a" is not arganized until needed. Are those who might be a part of that not to maintain their arms?

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Feb 22, 2021 23:26:14   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
Big dog wrote:
I think you’re on the right track, but lets remember that today’s dementiacrats are pressing the ‘c*******t agenda and , quite secretly, have been for many years. And now we have anChicom sympathizer in the White House.


Here we go with the old "Red Menace" argument to discredit anyone whose beliefs, opinions, or policies are different.

Years ago, a lot of people, especially white people in the South, thought that the Civil Rights movement was C*******t-inspired.

The same thing was said about the protests against the Vietnam War, the anti-pollution crusade, the Women's Lib movement, the Gay Rights campaign, the efforts to pass the Equal Rights Amendment, the quest for affordable healthcare, and so on.

Now it's sensible gun control laws that are being linked with those "dirty C****es."

People like you are so paranoid about C*******m, that it's robbed you of your common sense and your ability to think clearly and reasonably. You're just as bad as J. Edgar Hoover and Senator Joseph McCarthy.

I suppose you think Wyatt Earp was a C*******t because he made a law that anyone who came into Tombstone, Arizona, had to register their guns at Earp's office. In fact, the legendary Gunfight at the OK Corral was a gun control incident, because Earp, his brothers, and his friend, "Doc" Holiday, were attempting to disarm the Clanton Brothers, who had come into town without registering their guns.

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