Mikeyavelli

In Michigan or Georgia, if you're caught driving without a license, and have a high KFC blood level, the cops are supposed to let you go.
Affirmative Driving.

jwrevagent

Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

Even if the accused can't pass the straight line walking test because they are bobbing like a chicken? If they get off for walking erradically, I guess you could add affirmative walking , too.

Mikeyavelli

Affirmative Walking usually occurs after Affirmative Shopping in a liquor store. All legal under the Biden's Handlers Administration.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Exactly right.

JohnCo

I saw a neat summary that relates to your "#WhiteLivesMatter?" and to "#AllLivesMatter":

#BlackLivesMatter does not mean only black l***s m****r. It means black l***s m****r too.

I wish I had written that summary myself. It is so beautifully concise.

Not everything can be explained so briefly.

There is a privilege(s), or an advantage, that many of us have inherited. R****m was involved in the development of it.

Similarly, many people inherit detrimental effects from oppression (and are oppressed), and that goes on for many generations (attenuated, I think).

It makes sense that we should learn to realize that that happens, sometimes close around us where we more privileged people hadn't noticed it, though it is significant to the more oppressed people.

Meanwhile:

I get really tired (as I imagine that maybe you do too) of hearing about r****m and sexism for so long and so frequently. I am tired of being stereotyped as a white male straight person.

I can understand why women and various minorities or oppressed people need to make themselves understood. It's when they discount _my_ experiences that they lose most of my sympathy.

I've had my own traumas and oppressions to suffer through and they affect much of my life. What I and many white male straight people have experienced (sometimes _because_ we are male, and sometimes just because we are people subject to similarly random fates as other people are subject to) are invisible to many feminists, to many women, and (presumably) to many anti-r****ts.

Sometimes even when I tell them -- sometimes even when I prove it to them -- they either don't believe it or don't care about it. Meanwhile they insist that I need to care about _their_ experiences.

And it really is, indeed, very important that I listen to some of them. It's just really difficult to listen well and care well, when so many of them have refused to listen to me and have refused to care about me -- as they have unfairly discounted me.

So it's not surprising that I haven't even looked at the book "White Fragility" which you mentioned, which is such a popular book among some of my friends. I'm s**k of being talked at, ignored, misunderstood, and even despised.

Now I'm going to pursue my topic, which is not white and black and Asian and indigenous and other (r****m), instead it is male and female (sexism). This is because most of my experience has been in the male-female area. But the main thing is the same: some people in an oppressed group (or people speaking _for_ them, perhaps too presumptuously) have decided that only their experience needs to be understood, not the experience of the group they call the oppressors. As I think you are saying, it has led to a reverse discrimination, such as a new kind of r****m or a new kind of sexism. They definitely do need to express themselves and be understood, but they have also fostered this really bad side effect (in sexism -- I'm less sure it's so bad in r****m).

I found these quotes from a book:

"For three years I served on the board of directors of the National Organization for Women in New York City. As I explained women's perspectives to men ... I enjoyed the standing ovations that followed. ... [M]y audiences were about 90 percent women and 10 percent men (most of whom had been d**gged there by the women) ... When women criticized men, I called in 'insight,' ... When men criticized women, I called it 'sexism,' ...

"I decided to experiment with ways of getting men to express feelings. ... I heard things I had never heard before ...

"Now when women asked, 'Why are men afraid of commitment?' or feminists said 'Men have the power,' my answers incorporated both sexes' perspectives. Almost overnight my standing ovations disintegrated. After each speaking engagement, I was no longer receiving three or four new requests to speak. My financial security was drying up."

The quotes are from pages 11-13 of "The Myth of Male Power" by Warren Farrell, Ph.D., author of the national bestseller "Why Men Are the Way They Are" (and also the author of "The Liberated Man" earlier).

Carol Kelly

Amen!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

A good summary of a phenomenon

newbear Loc: New York City

How did he nail it? I have not read anything indicating that he "nailed it". I must be dumb, please educate me.

newbear Loc: New York City

JohnCo,

don't read anything by Warren Farrell, Ph.D, he is a snowflake and a weak apologist for the current fashion to introduce sexism in the stupid conversation of these days.

Just get married and find out on your own how it really works. Good Luck.

JohnCo

Been there, done that. I've been married and did find out on my own how it really works. Thanks for the Good Luck wish.

Have you also "been there, done that" -- which parts of Warren Farrell's writing have you read?

Please define "snowflake".

newbear Loc: New York City

"Snowflake" definition includes the inability to think and speak clearly to make one ineligible to compromise.

Marriage and family are epitomes of the compromise, of which a "liberated" man is incapable of.

Farrell himself found out the hard way that, when he dropped the cheap slogan of "sexism", his speech invitations have diminished greatly.

It looks like he needs to find out more about women and his addressable audiences before complaining.

JohnCo

So you do know some things about Warren Farrell.

"Snowflake" seems to me a rather unuseful term. I think I'll add it to my list of words to discount their authors. I'm impressed with the "ineligible to compromise" words though. I'm not familiar with that phrase.

I've never read _The Liberated Man_ (For other readers: that's an early book by Farrell). I wasn't even aware of it until after I got a copy of _Why Men Are The Way They Are_ (WMATWTA), which I did read, and later I read _The Myth Of Male Power_ (TMOMP), and _Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say_ (WCHWMDS), all of which I recommend to anyone. I have one or two of his other books but they seem less interesting.

From what you wrote here, I have the impression that _The Liberated Man_ was the only one of his you've read. Farrell _did_ learn a lot, particularly starting around the time he began listening to men and expressing both women's and men's perspectives. As you say, his speech invitations diminished greatly (at that time). Later he came back in a different way. If you haven't read WMATWTA, TMOMP, and/or WMHWMDS, you'd probably be surprised by them. But I don't know whether it would be a pleasant or unpleasant surprise to you. I'm not good at relationships, but I consider myself reasonably able to "think and speak clearly", and even able to compromise, and more willing to compromise in relationships than most people are. So, while I guess you have some good ideas, I don't know whether they would apply to me or whichever "definitions" you were referring to.

Big Kahuna

How many times has Fat Stacey Abrams been stopped and released?