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May 11, 2013 17:12:08   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
oldroy wrote:
Boy am I glad to hear you say, just kidding. I did my combat job every day the whole time I was in the Army and am sure that back then the Marines didn't do the job but would surely have liked having us around. I was once ashamed of enlisting in the Army but recently an old buddy convinced me that we of the ASA were pretty important and would have been more so if a war had broken out.


I am a very forgiving man. LMAO

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May 11, 2013 17:58:54   #
usmc4
 
oldroy wrote:
Boy am I glad to hear you say, just kidding. I did my combat job every day the whole time I was in the Army and am sure that back then the Marines didn't do the job but would surely have liked having us around. I was once ashamed of enlisting in the Army but recently an old buddy convinced me that we of the ASA were pretty important and would have been more so if a war had broken out.


Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. We're all brothers-in- arms and proud of it. God Bless our current brothers and sisters.

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May 11, 2013 18:35:30   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
usmc4 wrote:
Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. We're all brothers-in- arms and proud of it. God Bless our current brothers and sisters.


Semper Fi USMC4

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May 12, 2013 00:14:33   #
applebox
 
AuntiE,

I agree with your analysis via Websters'. However, I have an issue with the scope of that message. Do you think that the Second Amendment guarantees everyone in the USA the right to any weapon, knife and spear or RPG, Abrams M-1, etc.? If not, where is the line? The current school of thought in the Supreme Court is that the Constitution is a living document. That means that it must grow and change with current meanings and practices. But, does current practice, at least according to the NRA, mean that we now want everyone fully armed? Against what, exactly? It's supposed to be for resistance to a tyrannical government or a foreign power, or so I thought. So are we preparing to o*******w the government? Let me know if that's the plan. Art

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May 12, 2013 00:58:51   #
Bert
 
First time around Mr. Obama made a remark about a police force bigger than the military that most people missed. An armed public can curtail such a force if they have the ammunition. And where did all the bullets go!

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May 12, 2013 06:08:04   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
applebox wrote:
AuntiE,

I agree with your analysis via Websters'. However, I have an issue with the scope of that message. Do you think that the Second Amendment guarantees everyone in the USA the right to any weapon, knife and spear or RPG, Abrams M-1, etc.? If not, where is the line? The current school of thought in the Supreme Court is that the Constitution is a living document. That means that it must grow and change with current meanings and practices. But, does current practice, at least according to the NRA, mean that we now want everyone fully armed? Against what, exactly? It's supposed to be for resistance to a tyrannical government or a foreign power, or so I thought. So are we preparing to o*******w the government? Let me know if that's the plan. Art
AuntiE, br br I agree with your analysis via Web... (show quote)


AuntieE-We no longer use M-1's. As far as the use of armor, you can, with the right license's purchase and old tank. Is a knife a weapon of mass destruction? Can you flip it's se*****r switch abnd put it on full auto? Or 3 round burst. Can it k**l at 1,000 yards? The constitution is NOT a living breathing document. It is very clear. All 4,440 words have meaning. The justices have, on their own decided what is expedient for their own ambition.
The NRA is quite clear that LAW ABIDING citizens should be allowed to own "FIREARMS." There will always be talk of o*******wing the government but before I tried that I would more than likely put just a little thought behind it. After all this supposed president has friends that DID and still do preach of o*******wing the government.
Happy Mother's Day. Mine has gone and I do miss her so.

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May 12, 2013 08:00:38   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
shooterofgunmen wrote:
AuntieE-We no longer use M-1's. As far as the use of armor, you can, with the right license's purchase and old tank. Is a knife a weapon of mass destruction? Can you flip it's se*****r switch abnd put it on full auto? Or 3 round burst. Can it k**l at 1,000 yards? The constitution is NOT a living breathing document. It is very clear. All 4,440 words have meaning. The justices have, on their own decided what is expedient for their own ambition.
The NRA is quite clear that LAW ABIDING citizens should be allowed to own "FIREARMS." There will always be talk of o*******wing the government but before I tried that I would more than likely put just a little thought behind it. After all this supposed president has friends that DID and still do preach of o*******wing the government.
Happy Mother's Day. Mine has gone and I do miss her so.
AuntieE-We no longer use M-1's. As far as the use ... (show quote)


You reminded me of a comment my grandson, who is currently completing AIT, made when he got leave after Basic; He wanted to know how the current PDWs the Army uses compare to the Trapdoor Springfield I used when I served with Custer at the Little Bighorn. I opined that he was a smartass, since I was still alive, I was obviously a member of Benteen's command at the debacle under discussion. speaking of "firearms," I wonder if Liberals who push "gun control" are referring to firearms in general, or crew served weapons? Probably in general, since most of them apparently don't know the difference between a feed ramp and a sling swivel.

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May 12, 2013 08:17:45   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
banjojack wrote:
You reminded me of a comment my grandson, who is currently completing AIT, made when he got leave after Basic; He wanted to know how the current PDWs the Army uses compare to the Trapdoor Springfield I used when I served with Custer at the Little Bighorn. I opined that he was a smartass, since I was still alive, I was obviously a member of Benteen's command at the debacle under discussion. speaking of "firearms," I wonder if Liberals who push "gun control" are referring to firearms in general, or crew served weapons? Probably in general, since most of them apparently don't know the difference between a feed ramp and a sling swivel.
You reminded me of a comment my grandson, who is c... (show quote)


Tell your grandson I prefer, as Jeremy Jonhson would say, "A genuine Hawkin gun.". The liberals with the gun issue are merely shooting (pardon the pun) off their moths.

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May 12, 2013 08:41:33   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
banjojack wrote:
You reminded me of a comment my grandson, who is currently completing AIT, made when he got leave after Basic; He wanted to know how the current PDWs the Army uses compare to the Trapdoor Springfield I used when I served with Custer at the Little Bighorn. I opined that he was a smartass, since I was still alive, I was obviously a member of Benteen's command at the debacle under discussion. speaking of "firearms," I wonder if Liberals who push "gun control" are referring to firearms in general, or crew served weapons? Probably in general, since most of them apparently don't know the difference between a feed ramp and a sling swivel.
You reminded me of a comment my grandson, who is c... (show quote)


One more thing; re: your comment to AuntiE: Could this be a reference to the M-1 Abrams Main Battle Tank? It was in the same sentence. I have some limited experience with both the Garand and the carbine. I truly like the first, have no use for the second, but that's just me talking.

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May 12, 2013 08:47:45   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
banjojack wrote:
One more thing; re: your comment to AuntiE: Could this be a reference to the M-1 Abrams Main Battle Tank? It was in the same sentence. I have some limited experience with both the Garand and the carbine. I truly like the first, have no use for the second, but that's just me talking.


Auntie E could very well have meant the Abrams. I foolishly ASSUMED she meant the firearm. Never assume...it makes an ass out of u and me. Carbine was a horrible piece. Garand was very effective but with limited firepower. 8 rounds just doesn't cut it on today's battle fields. I will also add I am not an admirer of the 5.56. Too damn light when you really need to knock a guy on his ass.

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May 12, 2013 09:19:48   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
[quote=shooterofgunmen]Auntie E could very well have meant the Abrams. I foolishly ASSUMED she meant the firearm. Never assume...it makes an ass out of u and me. Carbine was a horrible piece. Garand was very effective but with limited firepower. 8 rounds just doesn't cut it on today's battle fields. I will also add I am not an admirer of the 5.56. Too damn light when you really need to knock a guy on his ass.

Viva 7.62!

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May 12, 2013 09:28:02   #
shooterofgunmen Loc: Colorado
 
[quote=banjojack]
shooterofgunmen wrote:
Auntie E could very well have meant the Abrams. I foolishly ASSUMED she meant the firearm. Never assume...it makes an ass out of u and me. Carbine was a horrible piece. Garand was very effective but with limited firepower. 8 rounds just doesn't cut it on today's battle fields. I will also add I am not an admirer of the 5.56. Too damn light when you really need to knock a guy on his ass.

Viva 7.62!


Roger that. marines are testing new, well old, .264 mag. for new sniper round. They have also considered switching to, I believe a .408 to replace .50 sniper. Both have impressive numbers.

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May 12, 2013 10:08:50   #
Slingblade68 Loc: Charleston SC
 
AuntiE wrote:
For heavens sake CALM down!! Truly you will like it.

The Constitution of the United States: Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated m*****a, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Several weeks ago, on another site, I was informed I did not not understand nor know how to interpret the Second Amendment. My ire was raised greatly! Sometimes I can be an arrogant prig as well as a word clarity usage female dog. This was one of those instances!

The Constitution of the United States: Amendment II (2013) using Webster's Unabridged Dictionary definitions of words within the Second Amendment.
A well regulated citizenry trained for emergency service, being necessary/inevitable to the security of a free state, the privilege of the populace to hold and have weapons, must in no manner or degree be encroached on.

Maybe the dunderheads unable to understand short declarative sentences would better understand long verbose declarative sentences!

Hopefully no one had to scream "MEDIC, defrib now" when you first saw the name of the forum! :shock:
For heavens sake CALM down!! Truly you will like i... (show quote)


Auntie-
I reason that your succinct answers might confuse this poor fellow. It's quite refreshing to read your posts. Regrettably, I am by no means a wordsmith. So I too, have a tendency to run on a bit.Not suggesting that there is any type of comparison between your abilities and my own.

We are kindred spirits. Ranking with the likes of the Dutchman, Shooterman. Old Roy, just to name a few. The General consensus being "Government's intrusiveness is never how our forefathers intended it to operate."

As Ronald Reagan professed in 1981. "The Government has taken on responsibilities that it was never designed to preform. And does not preform well."

Concerning "Gun ownership" in America. As you so eloquently described. The Dunderheads, obviously have misinterpreted Our Fine Constitution. To reiterate, the right to defend oneself , property, etc. In my humble opinion, is an unalienable right. Self preservation. Not an "Inalienable" one, as FDR and the Progressives might believe. The right to own a gun is for Protection from a Government that is threatening. Regardless, if the Minions have been herded into a group baying at the Shepherd who is holding the Golden Carafe of answers. Just because the Masses have been misled, moreover lied too. Does not give the Government the advantage of "The Greatest amount of Good" scenario. Furthermore, it is not absolute.

Free Will.. That is what Naturally separates Humans from any other life form. I suppose I am sweeping with a rather broad brush. However, those on this site have reinforced that some Americans are determined to keep that Natural right.

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May 12, 2013 10:27:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
shooterofgunmen wrote:
Roger that. marines are testing new, well old, .264 mag. for new sniper round. They have also considered switching to, I believe a .408 to replace .50 sniper. Both have impressive numbers.


Not familiar with the .408. However, I remember back in the 70s, the .264 Winchester, which a believe is what you are referring to, had a problem with "overbore capacity," which you run into with necked down 30.06 cartridges. The .270-7mm (.275, if you prefer the old Brit designation) is about it, as far as how much you can squeeze out of old grandpa 30.06. As you are undoubtedly aware, the .308 is basically a shorter fatter 30.06 with slightly less moxie, designed to obtain more reliable feeding on full auto mode, but does not have this problem because it's a .30 cal.

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May 12, 2013 10:30:41   #
Slingblade68 Loc: Charleston SC
 
shooterofgunmen wrote:
AuntieE-We no longer use M-1's. As far as the use of armor, you can, with the right license's purchase and old tank. Is a knife a weapon of mass destruction? Can you flip it's se*****r switch abnd put it on full auto? Or 3 round burst. Can it k**l at 1,000 yards? The constitution is NOT a living breathing document. It is very clear. All 4,440 words have meaning. The justices have, on their own decided what is expedient for their own ambition.
The NRA is quite clear that LAW ABIDING citizens should be allowed to own "FIREARMS." There will always be talk of o*******wing the government but before I tried that I would more than likely put just a little thought behind it. After all this supposed president has friends that DID and still do preach of o*******wing the government.
Happy Mother's Day. Mine has gone and I do miss her so.
AuntieE-We no longer use M-1's. As far as the use ... (show quote)


Hear, Hear,

Well put my Blast-man, has been a while since I have
corresponded, I apologize for same. Formalities aside, I agree with your observation of o*******wing the Government. Seriously , how realistic is the ambition. However, I am one that will diligently protect innately, what is mine. That includes all that I have earned. Mason jars of gold in the back yard may seem to be extreme to some. Though perfectly practical to me. I suppose it's all in your perspective and relativity. No I don't condone a c**p per-say. Nonetheless, being prepared is never a bad idea. You know the old adage, "Expect the best and prepare for the worst" type of philosophy. I only wish "Our Boy's" could have stretched their arms a bit in B******i. But that is a whole nother Bees nest. .... Over

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