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Sep 11, 2020 23:46:23   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
SU: A certified delusional one!


Based on what? So far, no one has answered with anything but baseless insults like yours and a handful of really lame arguments (if you can even call them that).

I know I'm taking an extreme tact on this thread, but that's a message in itself. For years I have been logging into this site and disputing right-wing bullshit with logic and evidence, issue by issue and after all that, I've come to the realization that the closed minds on the right will never accept any evidence or logic if it conflicts with their idiot politics.

So, this time, I'm going straight to the sum total of Republican failure to emphasize its severity in simple terms that I hope they can understand. I'm using the wildfires as the example in this case only because it's the easiest to explain and the responses I've received so far is exactly what I had anticipated.

(Sheep are very predictable).

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Sep 11, 2020 23:46:24   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
You may not have forest fires, but you DO have epic failures in your chemical, refining centers, and unexpected explosions. Texas is not innocent with respect to climate destroying events.


Several chemical plant events were determined to be acts of sabotage...we don't broadcast it, we just increase security

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Sep 11, 2020 23:53:56   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Based on what? So far, no one has answered with anything but baseless insults like yours and a handful of really lame arguments (if you can even call them that).

I know I'm taking an extreme tact on this thread, but that's a message in itself. For years I have been logging into this site and disputing right-wing bullshit with logic and evidence, issue by issue and after all that, I've come to the realization that the closed minds on the right will never accept any evidence or logic if it conflicts with their idiot politics.

So, this time, I'm going straight to the sum total of Republican failure to emphasize its severity in simple terms that I hope they can understand. I'm using the wildfires as the example in this case only because it's the easiest to explain and the responses I've received so far is exactly what I had anticipated.

(Sheep are very predictable).
Based on what? So far, no one has answered with an... (show quote)

Tell us why leftist states can't deal with their own law enforcement problems, allowing arsonists to run wild

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Sep 12, 2020 00:37:35   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So, you don't know the difference between an actual wild fire and a region posted as a high or extreme fire hazard.

What kind of idiot question is that? Are you actually trying to say that because a fire hazard isn't actually a fire the two are not related? Wow. LOL - just... WOW!

Blade_Runner wrote:

And, you still believe the drought conditions throughout the west and southwest are due to Anthropogenic Global Warming and you're blaming the republican party.

I think the scientists at NOAA are correct in stating the SEVERITY of the drought conditions are due to AGW, and for that I am blaming the Republicans, absolutely!

Blade_Runner wrote:

How do you explain the unusually heavy rains that have wreaked havoc in central and southwestern China? The floods are devastating, more than 13 million acres of crops wiped out.

Same explanation. Global warming. I'm guessing you don't know this, but when you apply heat to different materials you get different results. The same principle applies to climate... Some regions have more water than others so when heated the results are different. Seriously, the planet doesn't work like a living room where you turn the thermostat down to 74'F and the whole room cools down evenly. The planet is much bigger and much more complicated.

Studies have predicted that in the U.S. alone, the early results of AGW will be droughts in the west and massive hurricanes and resulting floods in the east. If the melting ice dilutes the salinity in the North Atlantic it could possibly reverse the currents, which would then cause the eastern seaboard to freeze. Yes, a rising median in global temperatures COULD turn New York into a tundra. It's sounds ironic but it's a technical probability.

Blade_Runner wrote:

How do you explain the extreme long term drought in Africa compared to the relatively mild conditions in Russia.

Supposed to be GLOBAL WARMING, as in the entire planet heating up, right?

Not necessarily. Global warming is measured by the median temperature, which is a reference to the middle point between the extremes. So, even if the the lowest temperature, let's say in Antarctica, actually drops by a degree, the median temperature would still be a degree higher if the highest temperature, let's say in Ethiopia rises by three degrees.

But technicalities aside, you're examples are all based on the measure of water not the measure of heat.

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Sep 12, 2020 00:46:47   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Crayons wrote:
Tell us why leftist states can't deal with their own law enforcement problems, allowing arsonists to run wild

So, are you switching subjects because you can't counter my argument? Just wondering.

As for your question, I might have an answer if your scenario was true but it's not. I can't explain something that isn't happening. "leftist states" (if that's what we're calling states with Democratic majorities) are not "letting" arsonists run rampant. Arson is still a crime in every "leftist" state in the union and if they are caught they are arrested and brought to justice. And these "leftist" states ARE dealing with their law enforcement problems... WTF do you think police reform is about?

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Sep 12, 2020 00:49:46   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Crayons wrote:
Several chemical plant events were determined to be acts of sabotage...we don't broadcast it, we just increase security

And yet it keeps happening. And someone is broadcasting it because we keep hearing about it. Maybe you should hire some security from California, lots of chemical plants there too but sabotage doesn't seem to be such a problem.

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Sep 12, 2020 00:52:39   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Not necessarily. Global warming is measured by the median temperature, which is a reference to the middle point between the extremes. So, even if the the lowest temperature, let's say in Antarctica, actually drops by a degree, the median temperature would still be a degree higher if the highest temperature, let's say in Ethiopia rises by three degrees.

But technicalities aside, you're examples are all based on the measure of water not the measure of heat.

Your own leftist arsonist hero's will make sure ya feel the heat, they'll have yer vote 'dead or alive'

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Sep 12, 2020 01:04:17   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain kills the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... Global Warming.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people voted big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning fossil fuels without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about global warming and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, killing people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... election after election.

And that goes for ALL people who have voted Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


Straight up, you are coming across as a real a$$, accusing Republicans on OPP of murder for voting Republican and causing all of those deaths and property loss in the west on Republicans.

But thanks anyway for enlightening us all of your wisdom. We can now ignore the Sun and millions of years of climate change from ice ages to weather warmer then it is now. We can also ignore the facts that CO2 does not lead climate change but follows it as Scientists have discovered while studying ice cores in Antarctica. For you have spoken and we can now bask in your enlightenment. Science be damned. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're a real piece of work.

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Sep 12, 2020 01:18:53   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
And yet it keeps happening. And someone is broadcasting it because we keep hearing about it. Maybe you should hire some security from California, lots of chemical plants there too but sabotage doesn't seem to be such a problem.


Who's we and why are left-coast plant's being scuttled and yer own ports sold to the UK
Concerning left-coast security? It doesn't exist cuz ya sold yerselves out to the enemy.
Hollyweird chicom's n' muzzies own you

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Sep 12, 2020 02:07:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Simple Sam wrote:
The BLM supporter, Jeffrey Alan Acord, 36, was arrested Wednesday in Puyallup, Washington, after being caught setting a fire in the brush along a state highway.

That's actually not true. He wasn't caught starting the fire. He was caught filming the fire and he was arrested on suspicion of starting the fire. A suspicion based on the fact that the police saw him earlier walking along the highway BEFORE the fire started. He said he was looking for his camera which he lost the previous day while riding his dirt bike. Who knows? Maybe he did start the fire and maybe he didn't. One thing is certain... they didn't catch him in the act.

From what I can tell this guy isn't super bright. His conversation style seems a bit juvenile for a 36 year old. He was apparently arrested at the Ferguson protest for having a gun in his backpack that he says he forgot was there. From what I can tell in the video he shot at the time, the police were far more concerned about the legal status of his guns than they were about the fire.

He also appears to be a video blogger, so there's reason to suspect he isn't as much a protester as much as a guy that goes to demonstrations for video content. His protest videos clearly show him on the sidelines filming, not marching with the protesters. Yes, he posted on facebook that he supports BLM but not the looters, but lots of people support BLM - that doesn't make them all protesters.

So, if you're attempting to back up the claim that protesters are starting these fires, I'm going to call that a really long stretch. First of all, the fire was small and it was extinguished while the guy was still being questioned by the police on the side of the road. Secondly, he wasn't caught setting the fire and finally this feeble "evidence" is all you got.

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Sep 12, 2020 02:07:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Blade_Runner wrote:


How do you explain the unusually heavy rains that have wreaked havoc in central and southwestern China? The floods are devastating, more than 13 million acres of crops wiped out.


straightUp wrote:
Global warming. I'm guessing you don't know this, but when you apply heat to different materials you get different results. The same principle applies to climate... Some regions have more water than others so when heated the results are different. Seriously, the planet doesn't work like a living room where you turn the thermostat down to 74'F and the whole room cools down evenly. The planet is much bigger and much more complicated.

Studies have predicted that in the U.S. alone, the early results of AGW will be droughts in the west and massive hurricanes and resulting floods in the east. If the melting ice dilutes the salinity in the North Atlantic it could possibly reverse the currents, which would then cause the eastern seaboard to freeze. Yes, a rising median in global temperatures COULD turn New York into a tundra. It's sounds ironic but it's a technical probability. Not necessarily. Global warming is measured by the median temperature, which is a reference to the middle point between the extremes. So, even if the the lowest temperature, let's say in Antarctica, actually drops by a degree, the median temperature would still be a degree higher if the highest temperature, let's say in Ethiopia rises by three degrees.

But technicalities aside, you're examples are all based on the measure of water not the measure of heat.
Global warming. I'm guessing you don't know this,... (show quote)
Man, you must really think we are stupid. FYI: you're not talking to a bunch of first graders here. May come as a shock to you but there are a hell of a lot of conservatives out here with rather impressive academic and occupational resumes.

AGW is a politically driven scam. The overwhelming evidence is in the AGW alamists' solutions to the problem.

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Sep 12, 2020 02:49:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Straight up, you are coming across as a real a$$, accusing Republicans on OPP of murder for voting Republican and causing all of those deaths and property loss in the west on Republicans.

Well, now you know how it feels to be on the other end of someone's disregard for being politically correct. A behavior that Trump fans hold in high regard... I guess until it's leveled at them. Then all of a sudden it's a different thing.

ImLogicallyRight wrote:

But thanks anyway for enlightening us all of your wisdom. We can now ignore the Sun and millions of years of climate change from ice ages to weather warmer then it is now. We can also ignore the facts that CO2 does not lead climate change but follows it as Scientists have discovered while studying ice cores in Antarctica. For you have spoken and we can now bask in your enlightenment. Science be damned. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're a real piece of work.

You can ignore all that if you want, but I don't. Indeed, all those factors you mention actually contribute to my conclusion. You see, most the people on the right have never even heard of these factors until they were presented as political arguments that insist global warming is natural. But the environmentalists and the science community already know global warming is a natural phenomenon (dugh!) and they've known about the factors you mention for a long time... long enough to study them and realize that given all these factors in aggregate, we should be cooling right now, not warming. That's the single most compelling reason to suspect the current warming trend is anthropogenic.

So laugh all you want Sparky, but the joke is on you.

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Sep 12, 2020 02:53:18   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Man, you must really think we are stupid.

When it comes to politics... yes, I do.

Blade_Runner wrote:

FYI: you're not talking to a bunch of first graders here.

Thanks for letting me know. Sometimes it's hard to tell.

Blade_Runner wrote:

May come as a shock to you but there are a hell of a lot of conservatives out here with rather impressive academic and occupational resumes.

Apparently, education doesn't always translate to wisdom.

Blade_Runner wrote:

AGW is a politically driven scam. The overwhelming evidence is in the AGW alamists' solutions to the problem.

Such as?

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Sep 12, 2020 04:05:09   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Man, you must really think we are stupid.
straightUp wrote:
When it comes to politics... yes, I do.
That's a rather high opinion of yourself. Where did you acquire such superior political savvy? Do you know as much about conservative political philosophy as you think you do about progressive socialist political philosophy?

How about postmodern philosophy, know anything about that? You should, it is reflected in your pseudo-intellectual self-righteous responses to us Untermensch.

Blade_Runner wrote:
FYI: you're not talking to a bunch of first graders here.
straightUp wrote:
Thanks for letting me know. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
No doubt. A Narcissist like you looks down your nose at anyone who won't kiss your ring.

Blade_Runner wrote:
May come as a shock to you but there are a hell of a lot of conservatives out here with rather impressive academic and occupational resumes.
straightUp wrote:
Apparently, education doesn't always translate to wisdom.
May I add avocational and experiential resumes? A formal education is a very thin slice on the pie of knowledge and wisdom.

Blade_Runner wrote:
AGW is a politically driven scam. The overwhelming evidence is in the AGW alamists' solutions to the problem.
straightUp wrote:
Such as?
For decades, climate alarmists have been warning that, without a United Nations-run global “climate” regime to control human activity, alleged man-made “climate change” will bring the wrath of “Mother Earth” down upon humanity.

They did it again from November 30 to December 11, 2015 at the Paris Summit on Climate Change, and warned, yet again, that it is the “last chance” to save humanity from itself. But climate alarmists have a long history of forecasting disaster — and of being wrong about everything.

In fact, stretching back decades, virtually every alarmist prediction that was testable has been proven embarrassingly wrong. What follows is just a tiny sampling of those discredited claims.

A new ice age and worldwide starvation:

Global warming — temperature predictions:
Perhaps nowhere has the stunning failure of climate predictions been better illustrated than in the “climate models” used by the UN. The UN climate bureaucracy, known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), produces periodic reports on “climate science” — often dubbed the “Bible” of climatology. In its latest iteration, the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5), the UN featured 73 computer models and their predictions. All of them “predicted” varying degrees of increased warming as atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) increased.

The problem is that every single model was wrong — by a lot. Not only did temperatures not rise by as much as the models predicted, they have failed to rise at all since around 1996, according to data collected by five official temperature data­sets. Based just on the laws of probability, a monkey rolling the dice would have done far better at predicting future temperatures than the UN’s models. That suggests deliberate fraud is likely at work.


Climate Alarmists Admit They Want to Dismantle Our Free-Enterprise System

Climate Alarmists: Only ‘Ecological Leninism’ Can Stop Global Warming
Prominent Swedish progressive Andreas Malm has urged using the full coercive power of the state to curb fossil fuel emissions, modeling the response on global coronavirus lockdowns.

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Sep 12, 2020 05:16:53   #
America 1
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain kills the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... Global Warming.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people voted big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning fossil fuels without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about global warming and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, killing people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... election after election.

And that goes for ALL people who have voted Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


Your state loaded with liberal democrats and you blame the GOP.
Seems also loaded with total insanity.

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