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Sep 11, 2020 22:09:42   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain kills the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... Global Warming.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people voted big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning fossil fuels without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about global warming and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, killing people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... election after election.

And that goes for ALL people who have voted Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


SU: A certified delusional one!

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Sep 11, 2020 22:18:09   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Probably.

As for the big question... which came first... Republicans did. They fought every single effort to cut back emissions and that lead to global warming. Global warming lead to drought and severe heat in the west. The drought and severe heat led to an over abundance of fuel on the ground and in the forests. Republicans like to suggest that the forests need to be cleared out which is something no one has ever done before because it was never that necessary AND it would be an monumental task with a price tag that no Republican would ever consider. Just imagine the trying to pick up dead wood from all the millions of acres of forest land. The only reason why they even make the suggestion is because they know the west coast states are blue so they think they can put the blame on Democrats. But as I've mentioned, most of the fires are on federal land, that's land managed by the federal government under Trump. Last year 85% of the fires in California were on federal land and Trump blamed Democrats for not doing HIS job.

Ever wonder why there are very few fires in Texas Forests? We Clean Out All the dead brush and trees; Private
property owners do the same cuz it's a fire hazard and lightning always fires up dead-wood and brush.

But once again, leftists always blame their own laziness n' problems on everyone else

I'm just soooo done with f**king Republicans and their stupid crap and having to share a democracy with them is just a shitty experience. The fires are just one example of how conservative policies are resulting in death and misery for millions of Americans.
Probably. br br As for the big question... which ... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2020 22:18:22   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Probably.

As for the big question... which came first... Republicans did. They fought every single effort to cut back emissions and that lead to global warming. Global warming lead to drought and severe heat in the west. The drought and severe heat led to an over abundance of fuel on the ground and in the forests. Republicans like to suggest that the forests need to be cleared out which is something no one has ever done before because it was never that necessary AND it would be an monumental task with a price tag that no Republican would ever consider. Just imagine the trying to pick up dead wood from all the millions of acres of forest land. The only reason why they even make the suggestion is because they know the west coast states are blue so they think they can put the blame on Democrats. But as I've mentioned, most of the fires are on federal land, that's land managed by the federal government under Trump. Last year 85% of the fires in California were on federal land and Trump blamed Democrats for not doing HIS job.

Ever wonder why there are very few fires in Texas Forests? We Clean Out All the dead brush and trees; Private
property owners do the same cuz it's a fire hazard and lightning always fires up dead-wood and brush.

But once again, leftists always blame their own laziness n' problems on everyone else

I'm just soooo done with f**king Republicans and their stupid crap and having to share a democracy with them is just a shitty experience. The fires are just one example of how conservative policies are resulting in death and misery for millions of Americans.
Probably. br br As for the big question... which ... (show quote)

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Sep 11, 2020 22:18:55   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Ever wonder why there are very few fires in Texas Forests? We Clean Out All the dead brush and trees; Private
property owners do the same cuz it's a fire hazard and lightning always fires up dead-wood and brush.

But once again, leftists always blame their own laziness n' problems on everyone else

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Sep 11, 2020 22:21:53   #
EmilyD
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain kills the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... Global Warming.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people voted big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning fossil fuels without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about global warming and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, killing people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... election after election.

And that goes for ALL people who have voted Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


Then why didn't Carter, Clinton or Obama do anything about it? Especially Obama - when he had control of both houses of Congress from 2009 to 2011?

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Sep 11, 2020 22:51:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Crayons wrote:
Ever wonder why there are very few fires in Texas Forests? We Clean Out All the dead brush and trees; Private
property owners do the same cuz it's a fire hazard and lightning always fires up dead-wood and brush.

But once again, leftists always blame their own laziness n' problems on everyone else


LOL - Are you kidding me? Texas has suffered from massive fires! And less than half the state is west of the 100 longitude which is the magic line that divides the arid west from the humid east. Here's a map from the Texas A&M Forestry Service that shows what parts of Texas is at high risk. Notice most of the risk is in the western part of the state.



...because you clean up your yards... what an absurd thing to say. You don't think Californians do the same? I used to have a house on 4.5 acres of land outside San Diego and I spend a lot of time and money every year on clearing a zone around the house to prevent fires, so did all the other homeowners in the area, conservative and liberals alike.

It's got nothing to do with our backyards Sparky. It's the environment at large. California, Oregon and Washington have WAY more wilderness in the drought-affected zones than Texas does and THAT is where almost all the fires are. Maybe in Texas more of the fires are started by lazy people, since you folks hold the record for fires started at chemical plants as a result of negligence.

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Sep 11, 2020 23:03:33   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
EmilyD wrote:
Then why didn't Carter, Clinton or Obama do anything about it? Especially Obama - when he had control of both houses of Congress from 2009 to 2011?


They did... Carter initiated some of the first steps toward alternate energy sources. Reagan reversed all of it. I don't remember Clinton doing as much but he at least acknowledged the problem and his VP, Al Gore spearheaded a movement to stop global warming. Obama did all kinds of stuff to help prevent the effects of global warming including numerous environmental regulations which Trump has since reversed. Obama also committed to the Paris Accord in an effort to lead the whole world down a path to a cleaner and safer environment and of course Trump breached that agreement too.

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Sep 11, 2020 23:13:21   #
EmilyD
 
straightUp wrote:
They did... Carter initiated some of the first steps toward alternate energy sources. Reagan reversed all of it. I don't remember Clinton doing as much but he at least acknowledged the problem and his VP, Al Gore spearheaded a movement to stop global warming. Obama did all kinds of stuff to help prevent the effects of global warming including numerous environmental regulations which Trump has since reversed. Obama also committed to the Paris Accord in an effort to lead the whole world down a path to a cleaner and safer environment and of course Trump breached that agreement too.
They did... Carter initiated some of the first ste... (show quote)


Well then, I guess according to your "logic", the GOP is responsible for all the fires in California, and apparently, everywhere else on the planet.

By the way....how is it that they control the lack of rain? According to your second paragraph in your original post: ".....the lack of rain kills the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse."

Might that reason be a lack of rain every year?

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Sep 11, 2020 23:16:42   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - Are you kidding me? Texas has suffered from massive fires! And less than half the state is west of the 100 longitude which is the magic line that divides the arid west from the humid east. Here's a map from the Texas A&M Forestry Service that shows what parts of Texas is at high risk. Notice most of the risk is in the western part of the state.



...because you clean up your yards... what an absurd thing to say.
LOL - Are you kidding me? Texas has suffered from ... (show quote)


You throw up an image from where? I don't know...Cuz I can't see it

We clean out our green-belts...No 'major forest fires here for years'...cuz if there was we'd of heard about it. Many of us have our own Brush-Fire Trucks.

Not to mention our TX Dept of weather modification keeps things throughout the state fairly damp so I don't know what you're talkin willis...Clean Up Your Own Mess and Arrest the Arsonists 'sunshine'

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Sep 11, 2020 23:21:58   #
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Sep 11, 2020 23:24:04   #
Abbie Hoffman Loc: World Wanderer
 
straightUp wrote:
Probably.

As for the big question... which came first... Republicans did. They fought every single effort to cut back emissions and that lead to global warming. Global warming lead to drought and severe heat in the west. The drought and severe heat led to an over abundance of fuel on the ground and in the forests. Republicans like to suggest that the forests need to be cleared out which is something no one has ever done before because it was never that necessary AND it would be an monumental task with a price tag that no Republican would ever consider. Just imagine the trying to pick up dead wood from all the millions of acres of forest land. The only reason why they even make the suggestion is because they know the west coast states are blue so they think they can put the blame on Democrats. But as I've mentioned, most of the fires are on federal land, that's land managed by the federal government under Trump. Last year 85% of the fires in California were on federal land and Trump blamed Democrats for not doing HIS job.

I'm just soooo done with f**king Republicans and their stupid crap and having to share a democracy with them is just a shitty experience. The fires are just one example of how conservative policies are resulting in death and misery for millions of Americans.
Probably. br br As for the big question... which ... (show quote)


I agree with everything you said.



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Sep 11, 2020 23:26:49   #
Abbie Hoffman Loc: World Wanderer
 
Crayons wrote:
Ever wonder why there are very few fires in Texas Forests? We Clean Out All the dead brush and trees; Private
property owners do the same cuz it's a fire hazard and lightning always fires up dead-wood and brush.

But once again, leftists always blame their own laziness n' problems on everyone else


You may not have forest fires, but you DO have epic failures in your chemical, refining centers, and unexpected explosions. Texas is not innocent with respect to climate destroying events.

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Sep 11, 2020 23:34:10   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
I agree with everything you said.

Than why don't all y'all marxist's raise awareness and clean out all the dead debris yourselves.
Y'all already get plenty of money from the Fed; but y'all blow it, waste it, throwin money away on Illegal alien benny's
and political grifters

California won't even build fire breaks

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Sep 11, 2020 23:36:51   #
EmilyD
 
Crayons wrote:
Than why don't all y'all marxist's raise awareness and clean out all the dead debris yourselves.
Y'all already get plenty of money from the Fed; but y'all blow it, waste it, throwin money away on Illegal alien benny's
and political grifters

California won't even build fire breaks


Don't you know? The Republicans are supposed to do that...

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Sep 11, 2020 23:41:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - Are you kidding me? Texas has suffered from massive fires! And less than half the state is west of the 100 longitude which is the magic line that divides the arid west from the humid east. Here's a map from the Texas A&M Forestry Service that shows what parts of Texas is at high risk. Notice most of the risk is in the western part of the state.



...because you clean up your yards... what an absurd thing to say. You don't think Californians do the same? I used to have a house on 4.5 acres of land outside San Diego and I spend a lot of time and money every year on clearing a zone around the house to prevent fires, so did all the other homeowners in the area, conservative and liberals alike.

It's got nothing to do with our backyards Sparky. It's the environment at large. California, Oregon and Washington have WAY more wilderness in the drought-affected zones than Texas does and THAT is where almost all the fires are. Maybe in Texas more of the fires are started by lazy people, since you folks hold the record for fires started at chemical plants as a result of negligence.
LOL - Are you kidding me? Texas has suffered from ... (show quote)
So, you don't know the difference between an actual wild fire and a region posted as a high or extreme fire hazard.

And, you still believe the drought conditions throughout the west and southwest are due to Anthropogenic Global Warming and you're blaming the republican party.

How do you explain the unusually heavy rains that have wreaked havoc in central and southwestern China? The floods are devastating, more than 13 million acres of crops wiped out.

How do you explain the extreme long term drought in Africa compared to the relatively mild conditions in Russia.

Supposed to be GLOBAL WARMING, as in the entire planet heating up, right?

Global Drought Map

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