Singularity

Rest well.

PeterS

I've been an employer since 1983 and the one thing I've learned, whether full-time or part-time, you have to document any form of reprimand, warning, or any action requiring discipline. If you are fired for cause you can't draw unemployment and have no legal recourse against me. If I fire you because I don't like you, you can draw unemployment and my unemployment rates go up plus I would open myself up to a lawsuit. Now if I fire you because my religious values conflict with your sexual orientation and I'm not part of a church or religious organization then I have no cause--other than I am trying to extend my religious values over you--which opens me up to all sorts of legal liabilities. And that's without this ruling.

As I said to CD, when a business is hiring it is customary to interview prospective employees two to three times preferably by more than yourself. In addition, do a background check, and while homosexuality may not show up legal problems associated with sexual behavior might. If a prospective employee passes all that then I am going to assume they look and act like anyone else so why would I care about their sexual orientation. I mean would you five someone because they committed adultery and didn't repent for it? I would think not since you v**ed for a president who did just that.

So I would say to chill and document, document, document. If they do nothing to give you cause to fire them other than their sexual behavior I would say you probably have a good employee and you should let you god do the judging.

The rights of one can't be extended over another. That's the only thing this ruling did, nothing else...

Army

Don't bother me just don't allow in my house . Don't force your beliefs on me or agenda . Your problem is you want argue reject my beliefs my faith. So go fly your own kite not mine. You don't want believe in God your choice don't blame me . No man can serve two masters for either he will h**e the one and love the other or else he will hold to the one and despise the other you cannot serve God and Mammon. KJV Matthew 6:24 . Now you can be mad cause of the Bible verse right . We'll be mad cause that's my belief . Your problem is with God not me . Stop telling me what I should think it don't work does it . I live under conviction for my own sins an problems not yours your not going get me to heaven it's up to me an your sure not going get me follow anyone to hell either . This last time answering .

Army

Don't bother me just don't allow in my house . Don't force your beliefs on me or agenda . Your problem is you want argue reject my beliefs my faith. So go fly your own kite not mine. You don't want believe in God your choice don't blame me . No man can serve two masters for either he will h**e the one and love the other or else he will hold to the one and despise the other you cannot serve God and Mammon. KJV Matthew 6:24 . Now you can be mad cause of the Bible verse right . We'll be mad cause that's my belief . Your problem is with God not me . Stop telling me what I should think it don't work does it . I live under conviction for my own sins an problems not yours your not going get me to heaven it's up to me an your sure not going get me follow anyone to hell either . This last time answering .

PeterS

Don't you want to fairly hear his side Single? The problem is, unless you fully agree with him I think his argument will always be that you don't want to fairly hear his side. This ruling did nothing more than uphold the implied promise of e******y of the Constitution. I am pleasantly surprised that two conservative judges sided with the liberals but that only goes to confirm that this was the correct ruling.

Conservatives have a hard time understanding that they aren't the only ones who have rights and in a secular society they have the right to worship as they choose but they have zero right to extend their religious beliefs over others. My advice is don't hire homosexuals if you don't want them working for you. So be thorough in your interviewing of prospective employees and have more than one person do interviews. What you miss someone else might pick up on. And if you do hire someone who turns out to be homosexual treat them as if they are any other employee unless of course, you want to test the court system and see if they approve of religious bigotry in the firing of employees...

PeterS

Army, welcome to the board. Always good to have a new opinion. In the future, it would help if you would use the quote feature so we know who you are replying to. At the bottom of the post there is 'reply', 'quote reply', 'report issue'. Use the 'quote reply' and it quotes the person you are replying to.

Thanks...

PeterS

No one would, but that's not why you would fire someone. Being late a certain number of times, inappropriate conduct with customers, inappropriate conduct with fellow employees. There are a million and one things a business can find to fire someone for but you have to document the act so that you can prove cause with the unemployment commission and defend yourself against any legal action that might be taken.

PeterS

My understanding of you has nothing to do with trying to impress you. Your reliance in irrationalism and fallacies makes you an open book to anyone who might look. I've dealt with you enough that I could do a dissertation on the danger of logical fallacies in trying to make logical arguments.

And we live in a secular country with a constitution that protects that regardless of our religious beliefs. You are welcome to worship anyway that you so choose but you can't extend your religious beliefs over others. So if you are a business with strong religious beliefs--especially concerning homosexuals--then you better be damn careful in how you hire because if you hire someone who is a homosexual then they have the same rights as any other employee.

Anyone, or thing, issuing warnings had better understand that else the warning will fall on deaf ears. And I have to ask, is this an issue of homosexuality or that homosexuals are unrepentant sinners? If the issue is the latter then what of unrepentant adulterers? You CC's seem to be okay with them--I mean you v**ed for one for president--so is this really about the Bible or is this simply about your own bigotry and the fact that you think your religious beliefs give you a right to be one? If that's the case then maybe the warning being issued is at you...

Singularity

No. I had little cause to hope for establishing amity and had been needing to make the time to file down my toenails.

They are lovely! Pale pink polish and a shiney protective overcoat. Its good to feel one has accomplished something.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I don't have a problem with homosexuals in the work force... And think it would be i***tic to fire someone based on their sexual preference...

But I'm curious how this law will be applied...

I imagine there will be plenty of lawsuits in the future... Homosexuals claiming discrimination...

Singularity

Most middle class Americans cannot afford to initiate and sustain legal actions.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I'm not sure if I'm saddened by that or not..

Seems to me that America is already a very litigious society...

American Vet

That depends on the state where your business is located and your internal policies.

American Vet

There is a difference between ‘extending one’s faith over others’ and operating one’s business according to the principles one believes in and exercising one’s freedoms.

American Vet

You absolutely can extend your religious values over employees. You mentioned you had been a manger for 30 years; you should know that.