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So why again are those Govenors refusing the use of Hydroqloraquine?
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Apr 8, 2020 17:50:24   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Alcohol has rarely helped me in that department... Probably because it encourages me to dance


So white men can't jump, nor can they dance?

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Apr 8, 2020 18:24:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
So white men can't jump, nor can they dance?


That has been my experience

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Apr 8, 2020 19:53:24   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Alcohol has rarely helped me in that department... Probably because it encourages me to dance


Humbly offered observation; a prudent person recognizes their limits and limitations.

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Apr 8, 2020 20:06:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
Humbly offered observation; a prudent person recognizes their limits and limitations.


Sadly, I've been known to dance when sober as well

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Apr 9, 2020 01:29:42   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.


Kevyn,

I have used this drug in my travels to India and Africa along with my wife and we both live. What are you talking about, sir?

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Apr 9, 2020 02:27:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
newbear wrote:
Kevyn,

I have used this drug in my travels to India and Africa along with my wife and we both live. What are you talking about, sir?


Kevyn never knows what he is talking about. He is the poster child for "A little knowledge can be dangerous."

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Apr 9, 2020 16:04:37   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.


Kevyn,

this drug is widely available across the world by millions of people mainly in malaria infested areas - no complaints about "some serious side effects" as you claim. Since 1935, Plaquenil has long become a generic drug, cheap to manufacture, with full instructions how to use. The only serious side effect (very rare) is retinopathy, the minor ones include diarrhea, upset stomach, headaches - which mostly go away with prolonged use.
Doctors in the US prescribe this drug for "off label" use on patients with Lupus or Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that is only case when you would need a prescription and different instruction for use. The downside is also that, according to the folks at the Red Cross, you cannot donate blood for 3 years, I was told.

Plaquenil or hydroxychloroquine patent expired a long time ago, thus making this drug unprofitable for would-be speculators such as President Trump or our Governor Cuomo (LOL).

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Apr 9, 2020 16:17:49   #
Singularity
 
newbear wrote:
Kevyn,

this drug is widely available across the world by millions of people mainly in malaria infested areas - no complaints about "some serious side effects" as you claim. Since 1935, Plaquenil has long become a generic drug, cheap to manufacture, with full instructions how to use. The only serious side effect (very rare) is retinopathy, the minor ones include diarrhea, upset stomach, headaches - which mostly go away with prolonged use.
Doctors in the US prescribe this drug for "off label" use on patients with Lupus or Rheumatoid Arthritis, but that is only case when you would need a prescription and different instruction for use. The downside is also that, according to the folks at the Red Cross, you cannot donate blood for 3 years, I was told.

Plaquenil or hydroxychloroquine patent expired a long time ago, thus making this drug unprofitable for would-be speculators such as President Trump or our Governor Cuomo (LOL).
Kevyn, br br this drug is widely available across... (show quote)


But boosting the mystique and creating a sales rush during a fear stoked world wide p******c could profitably clear out a few old warehouses and stoke production....

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Apr 9, 2020 21:17:32   #
Boy from the Bronx
 
2bltap wrote:
Can anyone here on OPP actually give me and well, the rest of us the reason why certain politicians are not allowing the use of this drug mixture? PLEASE?????
All I can say is that if in fact the entire reason is one of a political nature then they need to be immediately remove3d indicted for endangering their citizens and then found guilty of s******n, subversion and treason against The United Stated of America. Tell me where I'm wrong on this view.
Semper Fi
Mike

https://youtu.be/mrzj0DC-gSc
Can anyone here on OPP actually give me and well, ... (show quote)


First of all, guys like you think everything is an act of "s******n, subversion, and treason against the United States (not "Stated," like you wrote) of America," especially if it's something done by a Democrat.

Second, maybe the reason why "certain politicians" are not allowing the use of this drug is because it hasn't been thoroughly tested for possible side effects that can be fatal. We can't rush into things like this.

A week ago, I read a story in Leonard Pitts's column about President Trump advocating the use of a certain anti-malaria drug as a cure for the C****av***s, a drug that isn't available everywhere. A couple in Arizona found a substance similar to the drug in an additive used in fish tanks, so they tried using it on themselves to see if it would prevent them from catching the v***s. The wife almost died! The husband did die! All because they were in a hurry to try this so-called "cure" without having it checked out. And all because of Trump too! Of course, he probably won't accept any responsibility for this.

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Apr 9, 2020 22:37:44   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
First of all, guys like you think everything is an act of "s******n, subversion, and treason against the United States (not "Stated," like you wrote) of America," especially if it's something done by a Democrat.

Second, maybe the reason why "certain politicians" are not allowing the use of this drug is because it hasn't been thoroughly tested for possible side effects that can be fatal. We can't rush into things like this.

A week ago, I read a story in Leonard Pitts's column about President Trump advocating the use of a certain anti-malaria drug as a cure for the C****av***s, a drug that isn't available everywhere. A couple in Arizona found a substance similar to the drug in an additive used in fish tanks, so they tried using it on themselves to see if it would prevent them from catching the v***s. The wife almost died! The husband did die! All because they were in a hurry to try this so-called "cure" without having it checked out. And all because of Trump too! Of course, he probably won't accept any responsibility for this.
First of all, guys like you think everything is an... (show quote)


You've practically disseminated as many pieces of misinformation as humanly possible in such a short message. There must be a prize for this first. You've won the doofus award, more prestigious than the Darwin Award. And then you wonder why we think so many Democrats are s*******s, subversive and treasonous. Not all Democrats. Just the stupi***tic ones. Are you a Democrat?

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Second, maybe the reason why "certain politicians" are not allowing the use of this drug is because it hasn't been thoroughly tested for possible side effects that can be fatal. We can't rush into things like this.

This drug Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate is a generic drug no longer under patent restrictions and it has been around since the 1920s. In the amount of time this drug has been available, I think the clinicians have an excellent handle on the possible side effects by now. Possible side effects can be fatal, usually when used in conjunction with another medicine that the patient has not disclosed to the prescribing physician. The politicians don't disallow the use of the drug. It is regulated by the FDA which has approved its use as an antimalarial drug also used to treat Lupus, an autoimmune disorder, as well as rheumatoid arthritis. Tylenol also does some of the same things by working as an anti-inflammatory. The FDA doesn't recommend one way for the other that this be used to treat C****-**. The CDC does not regulate the drug and so far has no recommendation to use it for C***D. Both are asking for further study to determine its efficacy for use in C***D patients. Most of the evidence is anecdotal at best. Dr. F***i has said there is no concrete evidence that it works. What he fails to mention is that by the same token there is no evidence that it doesn't work. That is why it is left up to you and your doctor to discuss the possible ramifications of using such a drug not originally intended for this use. If the side effects can be fatal than discontinue use immediately. This is true of every other medicine in existence, in which case you should immediately contact your physician. It's not a matter of rushing into things. If you have the v***s and are getting sicker with a possibility that you could die I will bet you would be willing to try just about anything.
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A week ago, I read a story in Leonard Pitts's column about President Trump advocating the use of a certain anti-malaria drug as a cure for the C****av***s, a drug that isn't available everywhere. A couple in Arizona found a substance similar to the drug in an additive used in fish tanks, so they tried using it on themselves to see if it would prevent them from catching the v***s. The wife almost died! The husband did die! All because they were in a hurry to try this so-called "cure" without having it checked out. And all because of Trump too! Of course, he probably won't accept any responsibility for this.
A week ago, I read a story in Leonard Pitts's colu... (show quote)

Your information is a week old if you read about this aa week ago. The drug that I mentioned above is available and more can be made by any pharma company because it is generic. The couple you are referring to in Arizona broke the cardinal rule of self-medicating without consulting a doctor. They were just plain dumb and should receive the Darwin award for that one. First off, Trump never advised anyone to take chloroquine. He wanted the health industry to look into it as a possible arrow in the quiver of ways to battle the disease. He continually has stated that people should consult their doctor and is not recommending anyone use this substance to ward off C***D. Second, the fishtank cleaning chemical was not the same substance. It was Chloroquine Phosph**e. You have to be pretty stupid to not realize these aren't the same thing. If your doctor told you that you need more salt in your diet, would you go out and take anything with the word sodium in it? If you would do that, then I recommend you try some sodium arsenic, and that will end all your problems. So how do you make this Trump's fault? Why should Trump accept responsibility for this? These were older people who should have known better if they've been on this planet for any period of time. They can only blame one person responsible for this tragic mistake..., themself!

Furthermore, it is apparent you jumped in on the middle of this thread because if you had read it from the beginning you would have seen most of the information I just posted to you. Do us all a favor, will you? Don't have any children and don't v**e!

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Apr 9, 2020 22:39:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
First of all, guys like you think everything is an act of "s******n, subversion, and treason against the United States (not "Stated," like you wrote) of America," especially if it's something done by a Democrat.

Second, maybe the reason why "certain politicians" are not allowing the use of this drug is because it hasn't been thoroughly tested for possible side effects that can be fatal. We can't rush into things like this.

A week ago, I read a story in Leonard Pitts's column about President Trump advocating the use of a certain anti-malaria drug as a cure for the C****av***s, a drug that isn't available everywhere. A couple in Arizona found a substance similar to the drug in an additive used in fish tanks, so they tried using it on themselves to see if it would prevent them from catching the v***s. The wife almost died! The husband did die! All because they were in a hurry to try this so-called "cure" without having it checked out. And all because of Trump too! Of course, he probably won't accept any responsibility for this.
First of all, guys like you think everything is an... (show quote)


They both deserve Darwin Awards...

Fish Tank Additive = Malaria medicine = Removal from the gene pool

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Apr 9, 2020 22:42:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
They both deserve Darwin Awards...

Fish Tank Additive = Malaria medicine = Removal from the gene pool


Well, his handle/avatar is "Boy from the Bronx." so that explains a lot.

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Apr 9, 2020 22:46:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Well, his handle/avatar is "Boy from the Bronx." so that explains a lot.


He has certain boyish qualities to him....


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Apr 9, 2020 23:32:52   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.


The majority of drugs have significant side effects, some as bad as symptoms your having and of “ could result in death”
The warning signs are given to you when you get the medication. So what’s the difference here? It is an FDA approved medication from malaria and it’s work rather well on many people.

Fine, you don’t want to take it don’t but it shouldn’t be intentionally withheld because some politician believes it may or may not work....

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Apr 10, 2020 08:30:04   #
Singularity
 
lindajoy wrote:
The majority of drugs have significant side effects, some as bad as symptoms your having and of “ could result in death”
The warning signs are given to you when you get the medication. So what’s the difference here? It is an FDA approved medication from malaria and it’s work rather well on many people.

Fine, you don’t want to take it don’t but it shouldn’t be intentionally withheld because some politician believes it may or may not work....


I can't find the YouTube video that provided me this information, but I do seem to recall Mr. Trump himself relating the story. ( Hearing his voice gives me specific, recognizable bodily effects of an extreme and unpleasant nature... The sniffling and dry mouth/ congested sinus, drippy throat sound.... Makes the back of my throat close up and my lungs shrivel a tiny bit. I'm not proud of it or in control of it, but I usually manage it by READING rather than listening for quotes.)

He said something close to.... This Democrat woman, who had become very ill in hospital with c****-**, had heard the anecdotal reports about hydroxychloroquine, and "asked her husband to go get her some...?!!!?"

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