So why again are those Govenors refusing the use of Hydroqloraquine? (Page 2): The l*****t's are tyrants...they're too busy gettin in everyone's business and can't figure out a way to...

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

Rose42 wrote:

That's not a valid reason to shut down all uses of the drug except to lupus patients. Instead of addressing the problem you want to put a defective band aid on it.

The l*****t's are tyrants...they're too busy gettin in everyone's business and can't figure out a way to k**l us all

Dwight Logan

2bltap wrote:

Can anyone here on OPP actually give me and well, ... (show quote)

tabltap,
I believe that most of them spell "Gov" "immuneologist."

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

2bltap wrote:

Can anyone here on OPP actually give me and well, ... (show quote)

Probably because the drug is Hydroxychloroquine.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Kevyn wrote:

Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.

You should be able to get some for us from your comrades in the CCP because we know how tight you are with them. They make most of the drugs.

But seriously, if there are those suffering from Malaria, Lupus, and wh**ever else it can be used for, every effort should be made to make sure these patients have enough. Although the evidence is somewhat anecdotal and inconclusive it isn't approved by the FDA for C****-**. At least it can't do any real harm to you as it has been tested for other uses.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

dtucker300 wrote:

You should be able to get some for us from your co... (show quote)

Actually... It has some side effects... I would never take a medication without direction from a doctor... And even then I tend to argue...

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Actually... It has some side effects... I would never take a medication without direction from a doctor... And even then I tend to argue...

Everything has side effects. Since I can't write my own prescriptions I will have to rely on the doctor, which I always do.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

dtucker300 wrote:

Everything has side effects. Since I can't write my own prescriptions I will have to rely on the doctor, which I always do.

Exactly

bggamers Loc: georgia

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Actually... It has some side effects... I would never take a medication without direction from a doctor... And even then I tend to argue...

It depends on the person as well and some people have side effects they dont know about and should be told to your dr and call pharmaceutical co. I bought what I thought was Benedryl I just grabbed it and paid for it I took one to help me sleep got up 6 hrs later went to work knew I didn't feel right getting into my shift by3 hrs I could barley stand was seeing double. I went home call customer service on the back of the bottle that's when I notice it said Benedryl Ultra customer service told me to throw it away they sent a c**pon for another regular. I don't know what the ultra had in it but it sure didn't agree they said my symptoms were not any they had noted before

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

bggamers wrote:

It depends on the person as well and some people h... (show quote)

Yup. everyone's body chemistry is different and one size does not fit all. That's what they tell you immediately call if you have a reaction. Most people never look at the contraindications and side effects of the medicines they take. The list is a mile long, in super small print, that almost needs a microscope to read it. But they have to list everything anyone may get, even if it happens to only one person in the trials. You did the smart thing alright by calling the Customer service.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

dtucker300 wrote:

Yup. everyone's body chemistry is different and one size does not fit all. That's what they tell you immediately call if you have a reaction. Most people never look at the contraindications and side effects of the medicines they take. The list is a mile long, in super small print, that almost needs a microscope to read it. But they have to list everything anyone may get, even if it happens to only one person in the trials. You did the smart thing alright by calling the Customer service.

And they always add "do not mix with alcohol"

When I was taking antiv***ls for shingles it had a warning about alcohol... But I looked it up and asked some friends from the pharmacy college and was told that alcohol wouldn't effect them in any way...

Although drinking would weaken my i****e s****m of course

bggamers Loc: georgia

dtucker300 wrote:

Yup. everyone's body chemistry is different and one size does not fit all. That's what they tell you immediately call if you have a reaction. Most people never look at the contraindications and side effects of the medicines they take. The list is a mile long, in super small print, that almost needs a microscope to read it. But they have to list everything anyone may get, even if it happens to only one person in the trials. You did the smart thing alright by calling the Customer service.

When I started paying attention to the adds may cause --dizziness/diarrhea/nausea/chills/DEATH that just about made fall out of my chair when did death become a side effect was this a promotion for him I wonder???

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Kevyn wrote:

Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.

There is a huge amount of clinical evidence supporting the use of hydrochloroquin if you look at the big picture/ think outside the box.

Even if the "antidotal (sic) evidence is shakey (sic) at best", well, the preponderance of anecdotal evidence clearly supports at least
administering this drug to the poor victims suffocating in agony at death's door.

The fact seems to be that much horrible suffering has been stopped and lives saved by the use of this drug. And even if this were not so, if we operate on the shaky premise that only a few lives might be saved, does not the sanctity of life demand that we try our hardest to defend all lives by all means?

And the c***d19 patient has as much right to treatment as the lupus patient.

Idaho

Anyone on a ventilator should consider it with their doctor before agreeing to go onto the ventilator (you won’t be conscious enough to hold that discussion once on the ventilator). 50% of the C****-** patients that go into a ventilator die. A nurse friend has said that normally they put people on ventilators for 2 or 3 days max - because people with pneumonia get too tired to breathe for themselves. With C****-**, it seems to be oxygen uptake by the blood that is the issue, not the breathing muscles - like it’s a blood chemistry thing. Apparently CPAP machines are as good or more effective than ventilators on this. She says that with this v***s, once someone goes onto a ventillator they can’t wean them off and the human body just doesn’t tolerate being paralysed or anaethstatised for two or more weeks. That accounts for the 50% deaths. after that long, people just can’t start breathing on their own again.

Facing those realities, I’d opt for the CQ side effects every time.

Big Kahuna

Kevyn wrote:

Here are a few big reasons, there is no clinical evidence it works, only antidotal evidence that is shakey at best, the drug has some severe side effects and it is in short supply and needed by the lupus patients it is intended for.

If I'm dying and there is a drug available that even anecdotally, can possibly help, even though it hasn't gone thru years of double blind studies, I will sign any documents releasing the medical community from being sued. I would prefer it be my decision to live or die vs a doctor's decision to let me die but not live.

kemmer

2bltap wrote:

Can anyone here on OPP actually give me and well, ... (show quote)

Trump is pushing that drug in part because he has a financial interest in it. He's heavily invested in the pharma which makes the drug.