American Vet

And my opinion, also based on personal observation, is just the opposite. However, I can link you to numerous well known people on the left who even encourage disrespect and even violence against President Trump and/or conservatives. Even to the point that liberal leadership has threatened Supreme Court justices.

tbutkovich

What an excellent idea! A group of parents should meet, decide on a curriculum and each of them give up a week of their time to teach the children of that group. Also they should arrange that one of the weeks should be dedicated to bible study!

straightUp Loc: California

OK... and how does that change anything I've said.


First of all I'm not a millennial, although I have a son and a daughter who ARE millennials and they both went to college as did I. All of us went to community college first, and all of us worked jobs to help pay our way and but unlike me when my kids got to university they found that jobs didn't pay enough to cover it.

Now, I don't know how old you or your daughters are but I went to college in the 80's and my kids went to college within the last 10 years and the difference is mind-boggling. I didn't have to take out loans because in the 80's tuition could be covered with entry-level wages but these variables have changed drastically. Tuitions have skyrocketed and far beyond the the reach of a minimum wage job.

I gotta say, I get little tired of old geezers lecturing young people on what is when they think it's still 1975.

BTW, My son followed my footsteps and got a degree in computer science and my daughter is studying law. Those are not the easiest path (which happens to be a business degree).


I might if it were true. Have you even looked at the bill? I'd be willing to bet $5 right now, you haven't. If you have you would know that there's a slew of bills related to c****-**, not just one. Go to www.senate.gov and look up c****av***s and see for yourself. Let me know if you see ANYTHING about debt forgiveness or funding for a******n.

The problem is that the Democrats know Republicans are trying to take advantage of the people so they are trying to add stipulations to insure we don't get ripped off and instead of just agreeing to be fair the Republicans are playing the smoke and mirrors game while right wing media is just tossing out nuggets they think conservatives can latch on to, like funding a******n and free money for lazy liberals. It's all BS.

Go to the senate site. Look up the bills and stop drinking that damned Kool-Aid.


Again, that provision doesn't exist. But I'm curious about your reaction to the idea. I applaud you and your wife for the sacrifices you made. My wife and I made sacrifices too. It's what parents do. But are you really opposed to student loan forgiveness just because YOU didn't get it? Are you pissed off because you had to make sacrifices so now you want everyone else to make them too?


That's not taxation without representation you drama queen. The senators YOU v**ed for are in there fighting over the bill right now. Representation doesn't necessarily mean getting your way... it means you have someone fighting for you and maybe he wins, maybe he loses. Either way, you're still being represented.

For the sake of reference, there are millions of resident aliens that have to pay taxes just like we do but they don't get to v**e. THAT is taxation without representation.


Again, that provision doesn't exist. So, I guess you are outraged by your own delusion and your self-centered obsession with what you think other people are getting. I'm not bothered by the the idea of debt forgiveness even though I had to work for every penny I spent on my own education. The way I see it, anything that makes a college education accessible to as many Americans as possible is an investment in my future. When I get older and more dependant on professional services provided by a younger generation, I want my choice of doctors to be determined by their ability not the wealth of their families.


The uptighty-righties need to grow up and stop freaking out about what they think other people are getting.


It's education dingbat, not a car. Their education is in YOUR best interest. It's the difference between living in a society filled with uneducated ditch diggers or a society filled with capable professionals. Your choice.


I figured you were at least in your 70's. Good luck with your retirement plans.

CounterRevolutionary

That is probably already happening in religious private schools.

Public schools no longer allow any prayer, or even any quiet time. I would never allow any of my children to attend a public school. Never, ever.

straightUp Loc: California

First of all, it would take more than a few minutes to "check" enough posts to make any assessment worth mentioning. At most, I could confirm that there ARE some h**e posts from the left, just as there are h**e posts from the right. I suspect you NOTICE it more when it comes from the left because those are the ones that piss you off. Maybe I suffer from the same situation.

But in the wider world there are some very real references that prove my point. For one, there is the overwhelming popularity of American right-wing political sites that webmasters in Russia syndicate as click-bait. They overwhelmingly choose right-wing media content because it attracts more traffic than liberal media does. We also see this in the fact that Fox News continues to attract more viewers than any of the liberal media stations.

Now, I've listened to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones... I've read articles by Ann Coulter... these are h**eful people with h**eful things to say. While liberals like Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart and Stephen Cobert might crack jokes about the right, these right-wing lunatics I just mentioned are shaking the cages furiously... spewing out lies, insults and... well vitriol.

Then there's the h**e speeches. Notice how every case is the same? It's always the liberals calling out the h**e speech and it's always the right reacting defensively by saying it's not h**e speech or by inciting their 1st Amendment right to say wh**ever they want. It's never the other way around. That's because there's never enough evidence to justify a court procedure on l*****t h**e speech. In contrast, there's a long, long list of cases involving right-wing h**e speech.

CounterRevolutionary

Straightup, the cost of education has only skyrocketed since it was government subsidized.
The cost of healthcare has only gone up since it was subsidized, Medicare and Medicaid.

The cost of housing and their mortgages, both in private homes and apartments, has gone up since the creation of the Federal Housing Authority, HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

In fact, the freebies from Uncle Sam have raised the cost of living so much, that we are becoming ens***ed by bureaucrats.

Surely you know that it was not the Senate, but the House, on last Sunday night that created a separate 1,400 page bailout bill, four times in length to that of the Senate's bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi demanding the most ridiculous additional legislation that has nothing to do with the C****a 19 V***s economic woes we are all suffering.

The difference between rich and poor is knowing the difference between what you can do for yourself and what you cant. We are suffering under a top-heavy government bureaucracy frittering away our money.

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, you wouldn't want them to learn anything you don't approve of. Knowledge is a threat to any system of oppression and religion has always been the best way to safeguard against it. Muslim extremist group, Boko Haram literally t***slates to "education is evil". You folks have a lot in common, you should do a meetup or something.

CounterRevolutionary

Straightup, we live in a world full of paradoxes.

When a liberal claims he loves you, but does not think you capable of taking care of yourself, does he really love you? Or, is he plotting to exterminate you?

How many of your God given freedoms are you willing to sacrifice for "security?"

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Okay, now you are just being cantankerous and mean-spirited in the same way you accuse others of being. I hope you realize that you come off sounding like a troll. Usually, you make very cogent arguments. This last one goes nowhere. Thanks for hearing me out.

CounterRevolutionary

Wow, you are spewing "h**e speech."
Knowledge is not a threat to me. And, true religion is not a threat to me. In fact, I think science and religion are growing closer together in an understanding of Intelligent Design with an Intelligent Designer. but that's another topic.

As for the Muslim extremist groups, such as Boko Haram, I see the phony fundamentalists as a c*******t front, where primitive peoples have been duped. The Soviet Union tussled with Muslims in their own Central Asian Republics, their tribalism was too non-conformist to c*******m. But eventually, the c****es found a way to make inroads to hijack Islam. There is a fascinating Finnish historian who has written extensively on the hijacking of Islam in both Iran and Afghanistan by trained KGB agents:

Antero Leitzinger:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antero_Leitzinger
Antero Leitzinger (born 1962) is political historian and researcher for the Finnish Directorate of Immigration.[1] He is the author of “Caucasus—An Unholy Alliance.” He is a history researcher on topics from Russia to Islam.

Leitzinger was born in Helsinki, Finland. The majority of his works are in Finnish.
In English[edit]
Caucasus and an Unholy Alliance, Leitzinger Books, 1997, ISBN 952-9752-16-4
Kurdistan, Directorate of Immigration, 1999, ISBN 951-53-2016-X

There were other anthropologist, such as Dr. Boris Shimkin who made studies in ancient tribal cultures on how c*******m could infiltrate them. One of the American colleges has archived Shimkin's works. It is pretty creepy, Shimkin, an American recruit of the War Department's MID, (Military Intelligence Division) helped with ratlining N**is out of Russia to the west.

Boris' brother, Dr. Michael Shimkin, a cancer specialist, was under Surgeon General Thomas Parran running the American Soviet Medical Exchange as Parran ran the infamous Tuskegee syphilis experiments on B****s in Alabama. You speak about "knowledge?" The public today, has yet to understand what socialism is all about.

CounterRevolutionary

3/25/2020 Wednesday night, 11 pm

Bailout stimulus bill just passed the Senate 100 to nothing
$1,200 to individuals
$2,400 to couples
$500 per child
$4 trillion in loans to businesses with a special commission under the Attorney General to monitor relief packages for workers and no stock buybacks for Fortune 500s.

Start wailing and moaning, all ye socialists. Let's give enough rope to Speaker Pelosi and the House to hang themselves on this one.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

I see it entirely the opposite.
Certainly, you see it your way.
Not at all a problem considering your political position.
Stephen Cobert a west coast lunatic.
"spewing out lies, insults and... well vitriol." heavily on the left.
Free speech is something we currently enjoy here in our USA,
something the left wants to eliminate.

American Vet

Your response noted.

straightUp Loc: California

This is a problem that often occurs when socialists and capitalists compromise. A capitalist will always charge as much as the consumer can afford. So if a socialist subsidizes a consumer so they can afford something without going broke, the capitalist will adjust and charge more. You don't need a socialist in the picture either. Private insurance companies do the same thing with the same results.


I'm aware that there are numerous c****av***s-related bills in both the House and in Senate right now. I am also aware of the "Democratic Pork" rumors which never appear anywhere but in right-wing fringe sites that are sure to add "W***n" to the name of the v***s and the supposed number of pages (always good for an outrage) in "the" bill but fail to include any direct reference to the actual legislation.

So, let me ask you something... Which specific bill do you think you are referring to? And how many pages are there in that bill? Are you going to tell me it's exactly 1,400 pages because that's what the rumor mill says or are you going to actually verify by looking at actual the bill?


That's just a matter of individual personality and has no consistent correlation to economic status. Try not to overcomplicate things... The difference between rich and poor is how much money they have.


I agree. The difference between us is that I'm willing to walk the walk but you're only willing to talk the talk. As an anti-Federalist I have often stated that we should get rid of the federal government and the response from all those "small-government" conservatives is always the same... "Oh, well we can't actually get rid of it."

So if you can talk the talk but can't walk the walk, then I don't know what to tell you.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

The left and Islamists have much more in common than the Islamists and the right. Both want control. One by government the other by clerics. Both separate people into groups based on g****r, religion and race. Both are scared of education that is not dictated by them.